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Topic: Establishing an OOC Rivalry

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Cincydawg

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #140 on: June 26, 2020, 12:41:59 PM »
Would you think that playing bowl games in northern cities would be no particular advantage for northern teams?
As I've said before, playing outdoors in the north in January would be a significant disadvantage for Southern teams.

That does not mean that playing outdoors in the south is some significant disadvantage for northern teams obviously.

I recall Georgia playing at Kentucky when it was below freezing, it didn't seem to matter, no one made any deal about it, but it was not snowing or raining and was 28°F or so, not a big deal really.  But move that to Wisconsin in January when it might be 10°F with wind and that changes the game.

Move it to Orlando where it is 65°F and sunny, meh.

Playing in the rain at any temperature obviously is a factor.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #141 on: June 26, 2020, 12:42:54 PM »
I enjoy his writing style, and I guess I'm supposed to read one of his other books.
The only long work of Wolfe's I've read is The Right Stuff.  I enjoyed it immensely.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #142 on: June 26, 2020, 12:45:34 PM »
Would you think that playing bowl games in northern cities would be no particular advantage for northern teams?
imo, it'd be marginal.

lets not pretend these teams are playing regularly in 10 degree, driving snow weather all that often. once every few seasons. those games are memorable because they are rare.
these aren't nfl teams that play into the depths of december/january every year, they're done in november. temps are still relatively mild then. they wouldn't have some magical advantage, and they wouldn't have much of an experience advantage either.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #143 on: June 26, 2020, 12:48:32 PM »
Wolf's book is starting to get interesting now.  I'm glad I stuck with it.  Half the book was about three unrelated individuals off doing whatever and now they are on a collision course.

The book contains a number of mentions of the Piedmont Driving Club, which is the old elite invitation only club up the street from me about half a block.  The name derives from the 1890s when men would "drive" their buggies in the park, and race them, on the same course I use for my jogging.

Apparently the city PTBs opened their doors to him and were not amused at the result so now he is persona non grata.  I think he did a pretty good job capturing the essentials of the city myself.

I'm going up to sit on the deck and read it some more.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #144 on: June 26, 2020, 12:49:46 PM »
Then who's to blame?  Why weren't there any bowls played for 60 years in Milwaukee or Cleveland or Buffalo?  BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO GO THERE ON JANUARY 1st!  Bowls were meant to be a reward for a good season, back before they really counted.  Detroit in January isn't a reward for anyone. 

If B10 people don't like it, they should take measures to change it.  They haven't, so they can't cite it as being unfair. 

And FYI:  Florida played Alabama in the first 2 SECCGs in Birmingham and the better team won each game (1-1). 

And FYI2:  The SEC Champion traditionally went to the Sugar Bowl, played in the Superdome since 1975 and I'm pretty sure the weather is comfortable for everyone involved.
Nobody's "to blame."  I didn't suggest that there was.  I reasonably (and correctly, IMO) said that SEC teams have an advantage come bowl season because the bowl sites are nearer and the weather is more in their comfort zone.
I agree that few people would like go attend bowl games in the snow and ice.  But that doesn't change the situation that SEC teams mostly play bowl games close to home.
I don't understand your attack on "B10 people."  I'm the one making this point, and I'm not a fan of a Big Ten team.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #145 on: June 26, 2020, 12:50:46 PM »
I'm attack all fans of teams in the "Big Whatever" conference.  If you have Big in your name, your toast.

I'm after all from a directional conference ....

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #146 on: June 26, 2020, 12:50:59 PM »
There are fans who can't travel for bowl games today that would drive to games in the north.  But as others stated, you'd also lose fans who view bowl games as a vacation.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #147 on: June 26, 2020, 12:52:59 PM »
I also believe bowl games lost their prestige with the playoffs.   It has become just another game...

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #148 on: June 26, 2020, 12:53:08 PM »

I don't understand your attack on "B10 people."  I'm the one making this point, and I'm not a fan of a Big Ten team.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #149 on: June 26, 2020, 12:53:36 PM »
Yes, let's have the players vote. 
The outcome might surprise the old fogies obsessed with weather and Rust Belt pride.
You know what you are doing?  You are deflecting the issue, just like you accuse virtually everyone on the board of doing when discussing racial unrest.
Nobody's talking about Rust Belt pride.  Nobody's "blaming" anyone.
I'm making the reasonable point that southern teams (specifically, SEC teams) have a near-home-field advantage come bowl season.  Try attacking that idea instead of all the straw men you have created.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #150 on: June 26, 2020, 01:00:55 PM »
We could start by agreeing on the home field advantage, the true one, when competitive teams play a game.  Let's say 6 points?

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #151 on: June 26, 2020, 01:01:26 PM »
Exactly.  Here on this very board, many of you are pulling for your school to get into this bowl over that bowl PRECISELY due to the city it will be held in. 


And by the way, the Big 8 champion all those years was invited to the Orange Bowl, they didn't have to accept it.  Did OU or Nebraska, even once, get offered to play Miami in the Orange Bowl or FSU in the Orange Bowl and say, "nah, we're tired of doing that, we'll play somewhere more fair."????  No. 

And on this very board, I've repeatedly been told how the Rose Bowl is held in such high esteem, it's even above the national championship game, or at least rivals it.  But was there any clamoring to turn down the offer to play in Pasadena?  Or move the game to a more neutral site?  Puh-lease!


Bitching about the locations of bowls in warm-weather climates is an after-the-fact excuse losers give.  Period.
Deflection, deflection, deflection.
Try dealing with the actual issue--that SEC teams have a bit of a home-field-advantage come bowl season.
If you weren't an SEC fan, I suspect that this would be as clear as crystal to you.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #152 on: June 26, 2020, 01:03:58 PM »
Yes, I like how fro is all about preserving tradition all of a sudden, when he normally advocates the complete and total dismantling thereof. 

"Bowls were meant to be a reward for a good season, back before they really counted!"

Yes, and now they do count. So it isn't the same situation as it was before. At all. Not even a little bit. 
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #153 on: June 26, 2020, 01:05:39 PM »
What order do these steps go in?

Be a slave to tradition.

Romanticize the tradition.

Bitch about the tradition.



I'd really like to know.
1. Deflection.
2. Deflection.
3. Deflection.
4. Deflection.
Do SEC teams have a home-field-advantage during bowl season or do they not?  If not, please explain why not rather than attacking people for things that they have not said or done.
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