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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1596 on: April 23, 2024, 02:18:32 PM »
I still think the headlights are unnecessarily weird and overly-futuristic-looking, but overall the vehicles look okay to me. 

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« Reply #1597 on: April 23, 2024, 02:56:03 PM »
Fine except the front. And the price.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1598 on: April 23, 2024, 03:05:11 PM »
For a delivery van, the appearance is of no consequence to me, at all.  The one I saw was larger than typical.  And they don't sit and idle of course.  They make sense to me, unless the cost is out of whack completely.

Obviously, here we have a swarm of vans daily.  The folks who staff the desk in the lobby often can't be seen if the boxes pile up before they can register and store them.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1599 on: April 23, 2024, 04:28:21 PM »
Since the day you posted this, I've been thinking about responding... I can imagine what would happen if the world was primarily EV but we invented the ICE now.

First, let me set the stage. Because if we live in a BEV world, you have to essentially postulate that our existing infrastructure was in place to support EVs. Almost everyone would charge at home. Even in shared places like apartment/condo dwellings. It would become "table stakes" for rental properties to have charging. You would have a robust 3rd party charging network in cities and on interstates. Everyone would know where to charge and who had "the best rates", and that would cause charging to drive down profit above cost so public charging was only slightly more expensive than home charging unless you need a DC fast charger. And beyond that, the "important" part, everyone would be used to BEVs and so the idea of an ICEV would be foreign and new.

Can you imagine the complaints?

  • What do you mean I can't charge at home overnight? I have to drive somewhere to get it ready? What if I can't find anyplace? (Remember there wouldn't be fueling stations on every corner if we've just invented ICEV). How will I find a fueling station? Is there an app for that?
  • Wait, I have to put gas in my car? Gas, a flammable/explosive material? What happens if it ignites? What happens if my car starts on fire? I know there's a very low risk of batteries catching on fire, but it must be MUCH higher for these cars running on a flammable liquid!
  • Ugh. If I really have to put fuel in, AND I have to find a fueling station, I want to do it as rarely as possible. I want a 30-gallon gas tank so I never have to worry about whether I'll have enough gas to get someplace, and I don't have drive all over town to fill it up very often!
  • Man, these stupid ICEV engines have no low end torque! What a terrible driving experience! When I press the pedal, I want to GO. My BEV has instant torque.
  • Why is it so LOUD?!?! I want to hear myself think, not listen to some engine running.
  • Ew, what the heck is that smell coming out of the exhaust?! That's disgusting! It can-NOT be good for us.
  • I mean, I guess the fast "fueling" or whatever is great, but that's only important for people who are going on road trips, like, EVERY weekend. I haven't been to a public charger since that trip I took last summer, and is it REALLY that bad to wait 20-30 minutes and stretch my legs after 4 hours behind the wheel?


I mean, think it over. If we'd spent our entire lives living a BEV paradigm, and then some quirky billionaire tried to up-end it in the favor of the next big thing, "gas-powered vehicles!", do you really think it would be welcomed?
The other thing is, that it far exaggerates the weight difference.  I haven't looked at it lately, but it's definitely not "twice the weight".  It's more like a few hundred pounds heavier for most cars.  I haven't seen the specs on the EV trucks but I'm assuming that they are also a few hundred lbs heavier.  

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1600 on: April 23, 2024, 04:31:00 PM »

Curb Weight | 2022 Ford F-150 vs. The Ford F-150 Electric Lightning. The 2022 Ford F-150 curb weight is rated at 4,021 to 5,014 pounds. For now, the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning will have a curb weight of around 6,500 pounds.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1601 on: April 23, 2024, 04:33:17 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-tsla-q1-earnings-report-2024-c22f54d1?st=h7bta7eahkx7n0h&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-tsla-q1-earnings-report-2024-c22f54d1?st=h7bta7eahkx7n0h&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Tesla in trouble?
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1602 on: April 23, 2024, 04:37:43 PM »
Some trouble, maybe a lot, hard to know yet.  I don't own any of the stock and won't buy it.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1603 on: April 23, 2024, 04:40:09 PM »
Rivian pickup curb weight is 7,148 lbs for reference.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1604 on: April 23, 2024, 04:46:19 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-tsla-q1-earnings-report-2024-c22f54d1?st=h7bta7eahkx7n0h&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-tsla-q1-earnings-report-2024-c22f54d1?st=h7bta7eahkx7n0h&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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Easy to look at. See how many wildly optimistic statements Musk is making publicly. The more he's been making, the more serious the situation for Tesla. 

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« Reply #1605 on: April 23, 2024, 04:51:31 PM »
Yep. Needs to get his yapper shut.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1606 on: April 24, 2024, 08:17:50 AM »
Tesla (TSLA) earnings Q1 2024 (cnbc.com)

If Musk would "shut up", I think it could help.  Where is that solar roof he promised?  The tractor for trailers?  (I know they have one in very small numbers).  Now, the "affordable" EV is on the horizon, apparently.

Maybe that "Powerwall" is a real thing that works and is worth it?  Maybe not.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1607 on: April 24, 2024, 08:35:21 AM »
Top 10 most purchased EVs and their battery replacement costs | Digital Insurance (dig-in.com)

Even if these last 12 years, even 15 years, this remains a significant issue, I think.

You'd basically total your car in however many years, even as a beater it would have negative value.  You can sell a cheap 15 year old ICE car for something.

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« Reply #1608 on: April 24, 2024, 08:38:07 AM »
I looked at a Tesla roof actually. About $250K with the storage and back feed. Nah.

I took the new $60K roof (just got done finally) and a $20K Generac (2021). 

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« Reply #1609 on: April 24, 2024, 09:13:09 AM »
Rivian pickup curb weight is 7,148 lbs for reference.
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