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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1582 on: April 21, 2024, 01:27:56 PM »


Since the day you posted this, I've been thinking about responding... I can imagine what would happen if the world was primarily EV but we invented the ICE now.

First, let me set the stage. Because if we live in a BEV world, you have to essentially postulate that our existing infrastructure was in place to support EVs. Almost everyone would charge at home. Even in shared places like apartment/condo dwellings. It would become "table stakes" for rental properties to have charging. You would have a robust 3rd party charging network in cities and on interstates. Everyone would know where to charge and who had "the best rates", and that would cause charging to drive down profit above cost so public charging was only slightly more expensive than home charging unless you need a DC fast charger. And beyond that, the "important" part, everyone would be used to BEVs and so the idea of an ICEV would be foreign and new. 

Can you imagine the complaints? 

  • What do you mean I can't charge at home overnight? I have to drive somewhere to get it ready? What if I can't find anyplace? (Remember there wouldn't be fueling stations on every corner if we've just invented ICEV). How will I find a fueling station? Is there an app for that?
  • Wait, I have to put gas in my car? Gas, a flammable/explosive material? What happens if it ignites? What happens if my car starts on fire? I know there's a very low risk of batteries catching on fire, but it must be MUCH higher for these cars running on a flammable liquid!
  • Ugh. If I really have to put fuel in, AND I have to find a fueling station, I want to do it as rarely as possible. I want a 30-gallon gas tank so I never have to worry about whether I'll have enough gas to get someplace, and I don't have drive all over town to fill it up very often!
  • Man, these stupid ICEV engines have no low end torque! What a terrible driving experience! When I press the pedal, I want to GO. My BEV has instant torque. 
  • Why is it so LOUD?!?! I want to hear myself think, not listen to some engine running. 
  • Ew, what the heck is that smell coming out of the exhaust?! That's disgusting! It can-NOT be good for us. 
  • I mean, I guess the fast "fueling" or whatever is great, but that's only important for people who are going on road trips, like, EVERY weekend. I haven't been to a public charger since that trip I took last summer, and is it REALLY that bad to wait 20-30 minutes and stretch my legs after 4 hours behind the wheel? 


I mean, think it over. If we'd spent our entire lives living a BEV paradigm, and then some quirky billionaire tried to up-end it in the favor of the next big thing, "gas-powered vehicles!", do you really think it would be welcomed?

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1583 on: April 22, 2024, 03:10:18 PM »
(AP) - Tesla is recalling 3,878 of its 2024 Cybertrucks after it discovered that the accelerator pedal can become stuck, potentially causing the vehicle to accelerate unintentionally and increase the risk of a crash.

The accelerator pedal pad may dislodge and become trapped by the interior trim, according to a filing with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

The recall involves model year 2024 Cybertrucks made between Nov. 13, 2023 and April 4, 2024, according to the NHTSA.

As of Monday, Tesla was not aware of any collisions, injuries or deaths related to the issue, the NHTSA said. Cybertrucks in production had been outfitted with a new accelerator pedal component by Wednesday of this week, according to the NHTSA.


Tesla, which is headed by billionaire Elon Musk, said that it will replace or repair the accelerator pedal assembly for free. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752. Tesla’s number for the recall is SB-24-33-003

Notification letters are expected to be mailed to vehicle owners in June.

The automaker delivered the first dozen or so of its futuristic Cybertruck pickups to customers in November, two years behind the original schedule, with uncertainty over when large-scale production could begin.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1584 on: April 22, 2024, 03:12:14 PM »
3,878 people actually bought one of those things?
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1585 on: April 22, 2024, 03:35:36 PM »
Since the day you posted this, I've been thinking about responding... I can imagine what would happen if the world was primarily EV but we invented the ICE now.

First, let me set the stage. Because if we live in a BEV world, you have to essentially postulate that our existing infrastructure was in place to support EVs. Almost everyone would charge at home. Even in shared places like apartment/condo dwellings. It would become "table stakes" for rental properties to have charging. You would have a robust 3rd party charging network in cities and on interstates. Everyone would know where to charge and who had "the best rates", and that would cause charging to drive down profit above cost so public charging was only slightly more expensive than home charging unless you need a DC fast charger. And beyond that, the "important" part, everyone would be used to BEVs and so the idea of an ICEV would be foreign and new.

Can you imagine the complaints?

  • What do you mean I can't charge at home overnight? I have to drive somewhere to get it ready? What if I can't find anyplace? (Remember there wouldn't be fueling stations on every corner if we've just invented ICEV). How will I find a fueling station? Is there an app for that?
  • Wait, I have to put gas in my car? Gas, a flammable/explosive material? What happens if it ignites? What happens if my car starts on fire? I know there's a very low risk of batteries catching on fire, but it must be MUCH higher for these cars running on a flammable liquid!
  • Ugh. If I really have to put fuel in, AND I have to find a fueling station, I want to do it as rarely as possible. I want a 30-gallon gas tank so I never have to worry about whether I'll have enough gas to get someplace, and I don't have drive all over town to fill it up very often!
  • Man, these stupid ICEV engines have no low end torque! What a terrible driving experience! When I press the pedal, I want to GO. My BEV has instant torque.
  • Why is it so LOUD?!?! I want to hear myself think, not listen to some engine running.
  • Ew, what the heck is that smell coming out of the exhaust?! That's disgusting! It can-NOT be good for us.
  • I mean, I guess the fast "fueling" or whatever is great, but that's only important for people who are going on road trips, like, EVERY weekend. I haven't been to a public charger since that trip I took last summer, and is it REALLY that bad to wait 20-30 minutes and stretch my legs after 4 hours behind the wheel?


I mean, think it over. If we'd spent our entire lives living a BEV paradigm, and then some quirky billionaire tried to up-end it in the favor of the next big thing, "gas-powered vehicles!", do you really think it would be welcomed?

Thoughtful response.

Far too thoughtful for a whimsical meme, I'd say. :)

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1586 on: April 22, 2024, 03:58:40 PM »
Thoughtful response.

Far too thoughtful for a whimsical meme, I'd say. :)
I'd agree. 

But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it was typical for a meme--funny and makes sense, as long as you don't actually take the time to think it through. 

I think if we were in a BEV world where all the infrastructure existed to support it, people would have grown used to the BEV paradigm. That would be "normal". They would be as resistant to change as most ICEV owners are now. Viewed through that lens, pretty much everything I mentioned about ICEV looks terrible. 

So I just couldn't help it. Had to post.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1587 on: April 22, 2024, 04:02:30 PM »
Well, you didn't have to.

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« Reply #1588 on: April 22, 2024, 04:05:24 PM »

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1589 on: April 22, 2024, 06:57:37 PM »
3,878 people actually bought one of those things?
I spotted this one today. Not only did someone buy it, but they thought this was a good idea...



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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1590 on: April 23, 2024, 09:38:53 AM »
Electric vehicles are 'direct wealth transfer' from owners of gas-powered vehicles to EV owners, experts say | Fox Business
Electric vehicles are 'direct wealth transfer' from owners of gas-powered vehicles to EV owners, experts say | Fox Business

I THINK we're going to see mfgrs backing off EVs, we already are, in favor of hybrids, and governments will back off eventually after making their social commentary.

Waving one's hands about EVs (or climate) doesn't make it so.

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« Reply #1591 on: April 23, 2024, 11:40:26 AM »
I'm seeing a lot more Rivians around lately. They're not horrible-looking.  Way better than the Cybertruck, obviously.

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« Reply #1592 on: April 23, 2024, 11:43:05 AM »
I saw a Rivian delivery van (Amazon) yesterday.  I am hopeful those take hold.  

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« Reply #1593 on: April 23, 2024, 11:46:21 AM »
I dipped my toe into the electrical vehicle waters.  My son is starting up a lawnmowing business and so we got this to help him along:



Of course I had to test it all out and so far I'm loving the performance and the ease of use and maintenance. 

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« Reply #1594 on: April 23, 2024, 11:50:18 AM »
If we still had the house, I would have an electric mower and the other items probably to include the very useful electric beer cart.

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« Reply #1595 on: April 23, 2024, 11:51:31 AM »
I'm seeing a lot more Rivians around lately. They're not horrible-looking.  Way better than the Cybertruck, obviously.
Agreed. At the beginning, I thought the Rivian headlights were a bit weird, and to an extent I still do, but they seem less so as I've gotten used to them.

Beyond the headlights, the truck and SUV are decently styled vehicles. Nothing that "stands out", but also nothing wrong with them. 

Given that they're an early entrant and may have a leg up on the BEV learning curve, I might consider a used one when I replace the Flex if I go EV. By that time (several years from now) I'll have a lot more info on whether they're going to remain viable as a company, which I think is a concern. 

 

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