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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #840 on: July 27, 2023, 04:32:54 PM »
My problem is that I just got my $342 electric bill and it pencils out to 38.9 cents/kWh for the power AT my house. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #841 on: July 27, 2023, 04:43:16 PM »
That is astonishing, really, even for CA.  I'm paying 12 cents per.  My bill last month broached $200 for the first time in 5 years.

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« Reply #842 on: July 27, 2023, 04:53:36 PM »
Yeah, and it doesn't help that I have a house from the 70s with original windows, drafty af, and quite possibly the original AC unit--if not it's also old af. 

Shouldn't cost this much to cool 1200 sf. Especially since I'm usually setting the thermo at 77ish. 

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« Reply #843 on: July 27, 2023, 04:55:23 PM »
1700 SF. 74 degrees constant.

$210 last month. Probably be the same for July.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #844 on: July 27, 2023, 05:01:17 PM »
I got quite a bit of savings in Cincy by replacing the AC unit and bringing attic insulation up to 50.  Windows of course are another leaker.  The new ones are pretty good.

We have a bit over 2300 sf but only two sides are exposed.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #845 on: July 27, 2023, 05:05:54 PM »
As with anything, it's situational.

A base Tesla Model 3, supposedly, has 267 miles of range. Drop that by 20% assuming this is your daily driver, as most don't push their battery beyond 80% unless it's prepping for a single long drive. So immediately pull that down to 213 miles if you start with 80% charge. Then drop another 41% off that assuming it's exactly 20degF. Now you're down to 126 miles.

Is it common that you're driving more than 126 miles in a day? For some of you, probably yes. For many others, probably no. I.e. for me today, I'll probably drive around 35-40 miles, including commute to/from work and a stop at Costco. It will actually be quite rare for me to exceed 126 miles.

Then, if there are rare days when you think 126 is too short, there's the possibility to charge to 100%, in which case you get some of that mileage back... That'll get you up to 157 miles on a single charge at 20degF. As long as you're not charging to 100% every night, that's not a problem.

And this is all assuming that you're not going anywhere that a top-off charge is convenient.

I think range anxiety is overblown. Are there people who simply can't live with an EV due to range? OF COURSE THERE ARE. Is it typically as many people who actually worry about it? I'm guessing not.
You are probably right but my concern is two things:

First, I don't want to be too early on this and come to find out that whoops, they did all their testing in SoCal at 70° and the thing has severely limited range when it snows (need to use defrost constantly to keep windshield clear) and it can barely get out of the driveway on the coldest days of the year.

Second, I'm a lot more concerned about range in winter than summer already. Tuesday I ran almost to E because I had a bunch of stuff to do and limited time so I didn't stop to fill up until I was almost done and almost empty. In the winter I almost NEVER let the tank drop below half because I've been stuck in my car for hours due to inclement weather and related accidents. If that happens I want to have enough energy on board to keep myself and my kids warm.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #846 on: July 27, 2023, 05:10:12 PM »
I recall some "study", probably by experts, that a stalled EV will maintain heat about as long as an ICE vehicle.  Of course, this depends on how full your tank is.  I was a bit dubious about the outcome.  I wonder if most EV drivers today recharge when they drop below 50% or let it run down to 25%, which is probably around typical for ICE owners.


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« Reply #847 on: July 27, 2023, 05:21:20 PM »
I'll wait a few years, maybe longer

Ford came out early with the Lightning
after waiting a year, the Silverado has a much better battery
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #848 on: July 27, 2023, 05:22:44 PM »
I think I'm 8-10 years away from being interested in buying an EV.  

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #849 on: July 27, 2023, 06:10:52 PM »
Like nearly every other automaker on the planet, Porsche has plans to transition to electric vehicles by the 2030s. In the course of that transition, every vehicle in the brand’s lineup will become an EV, except for the iconic 911. Reuters reports that the 911 will be powered by an old fashioned internal combustion engine, which is part of the reason why Porsche has committed to developing e-fuels.

The 911 Will Be The Last Gas Powered Porsche (jalopnik.com)

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« Reply #850 on: July 27, 2023, 06:18:58 PM »
maybe I will own a Porsche some day
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #851 on: July 27, 2023, 08:03:31 PM »
I'm probably closer to looking seriously at an EV than the rest of you guys, based on my driving habits, plan to keep my Jeep, and the fact that I do live in sunny and temperate SoCal. 

But even then, it's not for at least 3 more years at this point when the oldest will be ready for college. And based on the mileage accrual on the Flex, I may not even be at 100K by then and may prefer to just keep driving it several more years rather than buying another car. 

So I'm happy waiting to see how the market develops. 

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« Reply #852 on: July 27, 2023, 08:20:59 PM »
After my gas lawnmower crapped out I swore to never buy another gas powered tool again, which I've held to. My weed whacker, trimmer, blower, lawnmower, and pressure washer are all electric. Still have a gas car, though could certainly move to EV if it makes sense money wise. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #853 on: July 28, 2023, 05:30:49 AM »
How Much Does It Cost To Charge an Electric Car? - Kelley Blue Book (kbb.com)

What Is the Cost to Charge an EV in kWh?
“A conservative rule of thumb is that an electric car gets 3 to 4 miles per kWh,” Voelcker says. “So divide the total miles you drive each month by 3 to get the kWh you would use monthly. Multiply that number by your cost per kWh. The dollar amount you get will most likely be lower than what you pay each month to buy gasoline.”
To put this into perspective, let’s give an example. Suppose you drive about 1,124 miles per month (Americans go an average of about 13,489 miles annually). For an EV, you will use about 375 kWh in that timeframe. Using the U.S. household average of about 16 cents per kWh, charging an electric car at home would cost nearly $60 per month.
How Does the Recharge Cost Compare to a Fuel Fill-Up?
According to AAA, the average price of gas hovers at $3.60 per gallon as of this writing. So, filling up a 12-gallon gas tank currently costs about $43. Things get a little tricky because, as we all know, cars and trucks use vastly different amounts of fuel.
Let’s say you’re driving a car that brings a combined average of 30 miles per gallon during a mix of city and highway driving. Using that same 12-gallon tank as a reference point, you’ll have 360 miles of driving range for each fill-up. If you’re driving the same 1,124 miles per month, you’ll need to refuel three times each month and spend about $129 ($43 x 3).


 

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