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Topic: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2024, 10:13:02 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 24, 2024, 08:49:46 AM
This is gonna become a cooking board or something.
For some of us, it already is.


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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2024, 10:41:04 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2024, 10:13:02 AM
For some of us, it already is.



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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2024, 01:01:33 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 24, 2024, 08:24:39 AM
I can see it now.

1. B1G and SEC withdraw from the NCAA.

2. M1G and SEC form a non-profit LLC, which will be available to

3. Collectively bargain with their new union employees (players).

4. FSU wins lawsuit against the ACC, due to its being in the ACC limits $ opportunities for FSU athletes.

5. Two 24 school Super-conferences are born.

6. CFB is now dead.
I see it as CFB is now being saved. NCAA is a relic of the past, you either evolve and change with the times, or you die, and they are just about dead- and they have no one to blame here but themselves.

By the way, there are way too many D-1/FBS teams as things stand. 138 or whatever the hell it is now is a joke. No one cares about 75% of these teams. It's way too bloated as is. 48 or so can break off, the other 90 can stay in the NCAA and stay FBS or go back down to FCS- who fcking cares. Sayonara, see ya later, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

This is what needs to happen, and the thing will be saved...

B1G & SEC leave the NCAA, band together, swallow up what's worth taking from ACC, ND, etc., and form a super league of about 48 teams.

They form and join a new governing body called the NCFA or NCFL or some shit like that- National College Football Association or National College Football League. Whatever. The schools will all own ownership in the NCFA/NCFL. NCFA/NCFL negotiates even more ginormous insane TV contracts than the B1G/SEC presently have on their own and forms their own playoff, which they will now own, so F right off ESPN.

The players will now become employees, sign contracts, unionize, and sign a CBA with the NCFA/NCFL. There is an agreed upon spend/salary cap on what schools can pay their players- best thing would probably be a wage scale based on position and class (QB's make more than other positions and so on and so forth, SRs make more than Fresh), can throw in bonuses for players hitting certain academic marks, graduating early - whatever. This kills the portal, because now that kids are signing contracts and being compensated as employees, they can't just leave willy nilly. This likely also drastically cuts down on NIL being used as an inducement for recruiting- as these kids are getting paid the same thing base no matter where they go in this new NCFA/NCFL, and the NIL will start going to who it was intended to- the established bonafide star players of the NCFA/NCFL and not snot nosed high school kids who haven't done or proven sh*t all in some desperate attempt to get them to come to x,y,z school.
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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2024, 02:11:58 PM »
The king is dead.  Long live the king.

Rules and governance are still required, whatever replaces the NCAA will be charged with the same mission as the NCAA and so the new rules and governance will necessarily look very similar to the old ones.

Congratulations you just took one step forward and two steps back.

This sport is dead man walking.
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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2024, 02:30:16 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on February 24, 2024, 01:01:33 PM
The schools will all own ownership in the NCFA/NCFL. NCFA/NCFL negotiates even more ginormous insane TV contracts than the B1G/SEC presently have on their own and forms their own playoff, which they will now own, so F right off ESPN.
Only if the masses keep watching. 
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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2024, 02:36:22 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2024, 02:30:16 PM
Only if the masses keep watching.
They will.

CFB is by far the 2nd most popular thing period to watch live on tv behind only the NFL. It’s not close. Football rules television ratings in America. NFL is the king, and CFB is it’s prince.

And more than half of those tv eye balls come from fans of like 16 schools. There are 138 schools. This alone tells you the product is too watered down and saturated with a bunch of nothings that aren’t doing anything but sucking up oxygen.

Those major brands will always bring the eye balls no matter what.
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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2024, 03:17:04 PM »
all of what you say can be true MDot, as you're viewing this exclusively from a  'TV' standpoint.     Some of us don't Fking care what dominates TV ratings, as we're into the game of 'college football' and the trimmings which have historically been associated with college football.   Good for the nfl and small number of brand name college programs which draw eyeballs. whoopty freaking do.    Despite being 'king' there are hundreds of millions of people who don't watch pro football.  The B1G, among others, have been a TV network posing as a conference for sometime now.   The cessation of the game as the 'thing' is the tragedy.  It is now simply content for media properties.

The depletion and degradation of 'college football' as known and understood for the bulk of the 20th C and some portion of this century is what many of us express disappointment over.   The existence, grotesque as it is, of the NCAA and its ultimate and apparent demise will largely be a footnote in all of this.      Don't over read into this as an appeal out of romanticism, or nostalgia for b&w TVs or Knute Rockne speeches.       Count me uninterested in a facsimile of pro football.   
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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2024, 05:46:52 PM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on February 24, 2024, 03:17:04 PM
all of what you say can be true MDot, as you're viewing this exclusively from a  'TV' standpoint.    Some of us don't Fking care what dominates TV ratings, as we're into the game of 'college football' and the trimmings which have historically been associated with college football.  Good for the nfl and small number of brand name college programs which draw eyeballs. whoopty freaking do.    Despite being 'king' there are hundreds of millions of people who don't watch pro football.  The B1G, among others, have been a TV network posing as a conference for sometime now.  The cessation of the game as the 'thing' is the tragedy.  It is now simply content for media properties.

The depletion and degradation of 'college football' as known and understood for the bulk of the 20th C and some portion of this century is what many of us express disappointment over.  The existence, grotesque as it is, of the NCAA and its ultimate and apparent demise will largely be a footnote in all of this.      Don't over read into this as an appeal out of romanticism, or nostalgia for b&w TVs or Knute Rockne speeches.      Count me uninterested in a facsimile of pro football. 
It's a certain argument that lies under the surface, while @Mdot21 says the quiet part out loud. 

It's quite obvious that the powers that be don't give a flying fk about anyone beyond about 20-25 college football programs. They want to do whatever they can to fuel the interest, the money, the eyeballs, to competition between those programs.

Their assumption, as Mdot so eloquently stated, is that the rest of us will just keep watching like sheep. What are we going to do, turn off the TV? Fk that, this is America. We're going to give you NFL Lite and you're gonna like it, dammit!

I mean...




In all honesty, though, I can't necessarily say he's wrong. They're going to completely ruin everything that's great about college football, and they'll probably generate even MORE money in the process. 

But there's a group out there, including me and a few people on this board, normally hardcore CFB fans, that are saying:

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2024, 06:45:12 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2024, 10:13:02 AM
For some of us, it already is.



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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2024, 08:36:47 PM »
What ever the next version of the NCAA is called, it will end up being a minor league to the NFL.   Either in partnership with or designed in a similar fashion.   University Presidents and boards will tire of alumni donating to players and not their schools so they'll come up with a salary cap or wages and players will sign contracts that hold them in place longer than 1 year to help mute the transfer portal impact.  
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2024, 09:38:16 PM »
Once everything is under the umbrellas of the B1G and SEC, it COULD resort back in a way.  Within each conference, there could be divisions re-created geographically.

If the decision-makers are wise and care about the long-term health of the sport, they'd do something like that.  Even a traditional bowl system with a +1 as needed would be possible.  

But it'll probably just be all about the short-sighted next TV deal.  
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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2024, 11:13:41 PM »
It has always been short sighted.  Some of this was inevitable, maybe most of it. The problem is that it has just been a bunch of short-term solutions.  Hell, even the transfer portal seemed like a reaction to stop players from unionizing to be paid. Only to find out that they would get paid anyway, and now they had a vehicle to try and get as much money as they could every single year on the open market.

They keep trying to launch spring football leagues, and the answer as to why they don't work, is because nobody has a rooting interest. At this point, I truly do not understand how anyone has a rooting interest in college football.  It's a random year-to-year roster, that at least slaps the logo on their helmet that They share with some of the fans that root for the team.  It has become rooting for laundry at an even greater rate than professional sports, while performing at a lesser rate.  I guess it has history, which the XFL does not. But at this point, I fail to see a difference between the two minor leagues
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Re: Death to Ame....err...Death to the NCAA!
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2024, 08:43:26 AM »
Quote from: Entropy on February 24, 2024, 08:36:47 PM
What ever the next version of the NCAA is called, it will end up being a minor league to the NFL. 
I think we all agree on this point.  It's not certain, as you note, exactly what it will be.  

I THINK the last major barrier to this will be when the NFL allows freshmen to be drafted, etc., and even kids out of HS.  Maybe the NFL signs a HS kid and tells him "You need a year or two in the "minors" and he goes to college (sort of).  Whether he takes classes might be optional.  There is at least today the illusion these are students.

I hardly ever hear now about a player being academically ineligible.  I think they have mastered the technique of giving them courses they can pass easily.
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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2024, 08:45:44 AM »
Quote from: ELA on February 24, 2024, 11:13:41 PM
It has always been short sighted.  Some of this was inevitable, maybe most of it. The problem is that it has just been a bunch of short-term solutions.  Hell, even the transfer portal seemed like a reaction to stop players from unionizing to be paid. Only to find out that they would get paid anyway, and now they had a vehicle to try and get as much money as they could every single year on the open market.

They keep trying to launch spring football leagues, and the answer as to why they don't work, is because nobody has a rooting interest. At this point, I truly do not understand how anyone has a rooting interest in college football.  It's a random year-to-year roster, that at least slaps the logo on their helmet that They share with some of the fans that root for the team.  It has become rooting for laundry at an even greater rate than professional sports, while performing at a lesser rate.  I guess it has history, which the XFL does not. But at this point, I fail to see a difference between the two minor leagues

Didn't they just merge? USFL and XFL? I think it's called the UFL now.
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