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The Harbaugh roster isn't nearly as loaded as the Carr rosters were, and Penn St does the bulk of their recruiting out East.

Dantonio had most of his recruiting success in Ohio, while Urban was off casting a wide, National net.

The downward movement of MSU correlates with the time Harbaugh started coaching Michigan (2015), and started drawing his recruits to Michigan. I am guessing competition with Harbaugh, a more powerful Michigan, and a Michigan doing better at recruiting would explain much of the reason for Michigan State's slumping record.

Harbaugh isn't really winning any recruiting battles against MSU, MSU hasn't really been in any recruiting battles against Michigan.  The bigger hit has been Stoops at Kentucky and Fickell at Cincinnati.  We've been consistently losing those tier 2 Ohio recruits to those schools, that OSU didn't want, that we used to win.

Then you look at that 2016 class I posted earlier.  11 of the top 12 and I think 17 kids overall from that class are gone.  Either booted or transferred.  That is the class that would be comprising your RS juniors and true seniors right now, and it's non-existent.  Then behind them you have all of the Plan B kids after Kentucky and Cincinnati took your Plan A kids.  And those Plan B should be your Plan C, but you've abandoned true Plan A kids because you are so jaded from that 2016 class.

The Harbaugh roster isn't nearly as loaded as the Carr rosters were, and Penn St does the bulk of their recruiting out East.

Dantonio had most of his recruiting success in Ohio, while Urban was off casting a wide, National net.

While they have a ton of kids from MD, PSU has 10 players from MI and OH, including their starting QB and best WR.

A stronger PSU is good for viewing/conference not the other programs - such is the animal that is recruiting

I have heard names like Pat Narduzi, Phil Parker,  chris creighten, Matt Campbell,  thrown out there

But I don't believe that meets your criteria of MSU getting somebody that could do better than Dantonio.

Throw in Luke Fickell and I also think Justin Wilcox (Cal HC) and Dave Arunda (LSU DC) a more than worth considering if they’re open for interviews. All in all that’s a much better listing of names than when MSU was going into the hiring pool every three years about 15-20 years ago.

I think Pat Narduzzi fits the combination of the most realistic and most stable hire. And I think he would be a good hire given his experience and previous ties to MSU. His 35-27 W/L record at Pitt doesn’t sound too special but A) nobody compiles a great record at Pitt and B) Pitt coaches have been known to do better elsewhere - look at Paul Christ. 19-19 at Pitt, now 50-14 at Wisconsin.

Edit: MSU hiring Narduzzi would be equivalent to Florida’s hire of Mullen. Experience, positive ties to program, and realistic.

Edit: MSU hiring Narduzzi would be equivalent to Florida’s hire of Mullen. Experience, positive ties to program, and realistic.

Pretty spot on,Mullen - I've always liked and is dialed in.He'll have them back in seriouis contention and Duzz would fit nicely in EL,if they go that route

While they have a ton of kids from MD, PSU has 10 players from MI and OH, including their starting QB and best WR.

Wow, ten entire players? Well MSU should just throw in the towel. There's no way they can field a competitive FB team with that type of penetration into their recruiting base.

I'm sure the Leos never had a whopping 10 players from MI and OH combined until Franklin showed up. What an unfortunate turn of events.