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847badgerfan

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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #112 on: November 21, 2019, 03:07:49 PM »
Quote from: fezzador on November 21, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
MSU is basically the Auburn of the B1G.  It's got some recognition in its own right, but even when it bullies Big Brother around it sill has to face an uphill battle for recruits because Sparty doesn't have the same resources M has (or OSU, PSU, etc. for that matter).  Every ounce of respect it gets is earned, and not given.
Yep, which is why Saban left for an easier path.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #113 on: November 21, 2019, 04:17:29 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2019, 07:34:13 AM
Was LSU really a better program? Or, was it the only major one in the state?
Bingo. LSU was an inferior program to MSU.

Saban left because he ain't stupid. He flat out said he'd never be able to overtake Michigan in-state and he also knew that Louisana produced a shit-ton of high-quality football recruits and LSU was the only legit program in the entire state and that he wouldn't have to share those recruits with other in-state schools or play second fiddle to any in-state schools.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #114 on: November 21, 2019, 04:59:47 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 21, 2019, 04:17:29 PM
Bingo. LSU was an inferior program to MSU.

Saban left because he ain't stupid. He flat out said he'd never be able to overtake Michigan in-state and he also knew that Louisana produced a shit-ton of high-quality football recruits and LSU was the only legit program in the entire state and that he wouldn't have to share those recruits with other in-state schools or play second fiddle to any in-state schools.
Long-term LSU is a historic underachiever which made it the perfect destination.  Even if Saban had only been moderately successful there he would still have been revered by the fanbase because they don't quite have Bama/tOSU level expectations.  
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #115 on: November 21, 2019, 05:19:51 PM »
LSU is the only major program, but it's in a smallish state.  I wouldn't consider it an underachiever.  They've done remarkably well over the decades.  I view UGA as the biggest underachiever out there.  I guess I'm jaded.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #116 on: November 21, 2019, 07:08:42 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 21, 2019, 05:19:51 PM
LSU is the only major program, but it's in a smallish state.  I wouldn't consider it an underachiever.  They've done remarkably well over the decades.  I view UGA as the biggest underachiever out there.  I guess I'm jaded.
Louisiana might have the most football talent in the country per capita. Small state, but TONS of talent.
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« Reply #117 on: November 21, 2019, 07:31:26 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 21, 2019, 07:08:42 PM
Louisiana might have the most football talent in the country per capita. Small state, but TONS of talent.
Yes, and those kids tend to stay home too.
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« Reply #118 on: November 21, 2019, 09:54:19 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2019, 01:16:15 PM
Lots of states have a flagship and a land grant (agriculture) school.

Texas / aTm
Alabama / Auburn
South Carolina / Clemson
Ole Miss / msu
UNC / NC State
UVA / VT
Iowa / Iowa State
Indiana / Purdue
Oklahoma/Oklahoma State
Kansas/Kansas State
New Mexico and New Mexico State
Colorado/Colorado State
North Carolina/North Carolina State
Oregon/Oregon State
South Carolina/Clemson
Utah/Utah State
Virginia/Virginia Tech
Washington/Washington State
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #119 on: November 21, 2019, 11:21:08 PM »
Quote from: fezzador on November 21, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
MSU is basically the Auburn of the B1G.  It's got some recognition in its own right, but even when it bullies Big Brother around it sill has to face an uphill battle for recruits because Sparty doesn't have the same resources M has (or OSU, PSU, etc. for that matter).  Every ounce of respect it gets is earned, and not given.
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« Reply #120 on: November 21, 2019, 11:29:19 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2019, 03:07:49 PM
Yep, which is why Saban left for an easier path.
LSU and MSU were both near-.500 programs the decade before Saban coached at either.  One of them had no in-state obstacles and the other had the #1 all-time leader in wins.  Faulting Saban for seeing this and moving on shouldn't be looked down upon.  It was smart.


And considering his career, whatever path he took was the right one.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #121 on: November 22, 2019, 07:02:58 AM »
I'll never not respect Barry Alvarez, for the sole reason that he turned down both Notre Dame (when they launched Davie) and Miami (when Donna got there) to stay in Madison and see things through.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #122 on: November 22, 2019, 08:38:11 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 21, 2019, 05:19:51 PM
  I view UGA as the biggest underachiever out there.  I guess I'm jaded.
This is why many couldn't figure out the Richt thing.The same scenario in C-Bus with Cooper :-[ ,nice guy perhaps but not taking you to where you need to be.And scarcely a trained eye couldn't see it for quite some time.The Head Coach doesn't have to be R Lee Ermey but certainly can't stand pat with Edith Bunker either 
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #123 on: November 22, 2019, 10:04:28 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 22, 2019, 07:02:58 AM
I'll never not respect Barry Alvarez, for the sole reason that he turned down both Notre Dame (when they launched Davie) and Miami (when Donna got there) to stay in Madison and see things through.
he had a solid mentor
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #124 on: November 22, 2019, 11:23:34 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on November 21, 2019, 09:54:19 PM
Oklahoma/Oklahoma State
Kansas/Kansas State
New Mexico and New Mexico State
Colorado/Colorado State
North Carolina/North Carolina State
Oregon/Oregon State
South Carolina/Clemson
Utah/Utah State
Virginia/Virginia Tech
Washington/Washington State
Southeast community college/University of Nebraska
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #125 on: November 22, 2019, 12:04:24 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 22, 2019, 07:02:58 AM
I'll never not respect Barry Alvarez, for the sole reason that he turned down both Notre Dame (when they launched Davie) and Miami (when Donna got there) to stay in Madison and see things through.
I thought--and I don't know, so correct me if I'm wrong--that Alvarez got mad at ND for not considering him when Holtz retired, so when Davie went (and he had just had his best two years in Madison), he said no. I know that in 2007 he felt no love lost for ND.

Didn't know about Miami.

I'm hoping Chryst feels like Madison is home. I worry that he won't be able to keep Leonhard if they keep winning, but we'll see.

I'm no in-demand college football coach, but I'm sure that I'm not alone in feeling like finding and building a home is more important than making more money. Of course I'd like to make more, but I wouldn't trade it for my family and community.
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