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Topic: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2020, 06:29:23 PM »
He's just talking about each program at it's peak, it's not complicated.  If you have every program chugging along, with its best HC, bringing in the best talent, those 4 historically great programs peak the highest.
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« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2020, 07:11:24 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 27, 2020, 11:03:09 AM
Cowherd went on to say that there are 12 other programs that, if they have the right head coach and quarterback, can win a national title. Those programs, according to Cowherd, are Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Penn State, Texas, Notre Dame and Oregon. But if Cowherd's big four of Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma or USC have their top coach ever, he doesn't believe these 12 teams can win a title.

This is a circular argument.  If any of the 12 win the NC, their coach automatically becomes one of their top coaches ever.  Duh.  The exceptions could be Michigan, Texas, ND, OU, and Penn State of course

If UGA wins an NC, one could argue Smart is their top coach ever, but not for those others mostly.
But he already screwed himself. 

You can make an argument that both Saban and Meyer are their teams' best coaches ever or close enough, and Clemson beat OSU under Meyer and Alabama under Saban in consecutive games for its first title in the CFP era, and then beat Alabama again in the title game for its second. 

Cowherd says that when those 4 programs have their best coaches, that none of the 12 can beat them--even if one of those 12 has the right HC and QB, as obviously Clemson had in both years. 

Yet in two recent years Clemson has done it.
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« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2020, 08:06:21 PM »
I don't think he's referring to a literal 1-game shot.  If so, he's an idiot.
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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2020, 07:12:53 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 26, 2020, 06:47:28 PM
PJ might go to the Commodores if the Gophers fire him
As of now I am not sure PJ will get fired they may put a statue up of him if he continues to do what he did last year

its a small sample but he is got people fired up about the gophers even through COVID

I know Wisconsin fans like to talk trash about him because hey he has proven he can beat them in Madison.  We will not be like the Brewster Gophers and that is why they talk crap 

it should be a fun game each year going forward
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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #60 on: June 29, 2020, 09:37:32 AM »
Minnesota beats the worst Wisconsin team in the past decade and it's cause for celebration, even 18 months later. Heh.

Just look at last season. The beatings will continue.
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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2020, 09:47:23 AM »
I AM VERY ANGRY!!!

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« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 10:26:41 AM by Cincydawg »
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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2020, 10:22:05 AM »
love the Big RED font!
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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2020, 08:58:41 PM »
The Power Five college sports conferences had more than $2.9 billion in combined revenue for their 2019 fiscal years, the conferences’ new federal tax records show.

The Big Ten reported more than $780 million in revenue, the most of any conference, and its return credits recently retired commissioner Jim Delany with nearly $10.3 million in total compensation for the 2018 calendar year.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/07/10/power-five-conference-revenue-fiscal-year-2019/5414405002/
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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2020, 07:54:19 AM »
It's a business obviously, based around football for revenue.  I guess men's bball generates revenue also, but little else.

The Europeans may have rowing teams in college, but that's about it.  Apparently their soccer players go directly from high school to some minor league.

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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2020, 03:14:36 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 29, 2020, 09:37:32 AM
Minnesota beats the worst Wisconsin team in the past decade and it's cause for celebration, even 18 months later. Heh.

Just look at last season. The beatings will continue.
haters hate and you are a hater

the beatings will not be like the 20 years when we had the worst teams in the history of our program

keep thinking like you do and your pre Barry days are not too far from returning
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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2020, 09:08:55 PM »
Quote from: Benthere2 on July 14, 2020, 03:14:36 PM
haters hate and you are a hater

the beatings will not be like the 20 years when we had the worst teams in the history of our program

keep thinking like you do and your pre Barry days are not too far from returning
If there's one thing I've learned through all this, it's the conversations of "just wait" rarely end with what's being waited for. 

I think PJ is a pretty good coach, even if his style can be mockable. I kind of enjoy it. The proving he can beat them in Madison part, I don't know if there's much meaning to take from it. Minnesota had an OK team. Wisconsin had an OK team. One OK team won and got its bowl game. I think he'll make them better, and maybe if by pre-Barry days, the rivalry will be closer to even, perhaps that's the case. 

Which 20 years are you referring to in that middle sentence?
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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2020, 09:41:59 PM »
There is a lot to admire I think with Wisconsin and Minnesota (of late) and Indiana and even Iowa.  They take poorly ranked kids and teach them to play football.

Maybe they won't ever play in an NC game, maybe that required elite talent, we'll see, but coaching up kids is not bad.

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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2020, 10:29:21 PM »
Wisconsin and K-State should inspire all of the non-helmets across the country.  You can go 12-1.  You can matter.  You can win.  
Fleck has about another decade to go before he's on Alvarez or Snyder status, but yes, Minnesota starting 8-0 AND winning their first test against a big-boy team (PSU) is a big step towards their ultimate goal.  

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Re: Cowherd's 4 "Big Dogs"
« Reply #69 on: July 14, 2020, 10:40:17 PM »
FSU was another good story, just a few decades earlier

more respect for Bowden, cause he traveled to the helmets and beat them
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