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LittlePig

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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2022, 10:43:02 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on October 09, 2022, 11:38:20 PM
Brian Ferentz, Offensive Coordinator is on the hot seat, but no one in charge has figured out how to fire the coach's son, without losing the coach. The athletic director should have fired Brian F. after 2021, but the A.D. is not up to the job.
Not only was OC Brian Ferentz not fired,  but Iowa made things worse by making Brian Ferentz the new QB coach in 2022 after long time mentor Ken O'Keefe retired.

Needless to say, Brian Ferentz as both OC and QB coach has been a complete disaster of historical levels.  From now on Brian Ferentz will represent the measuring stick of just how bad a QB coach could possibly be.  Possibly the worst QB coach in modern college football history.
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2022, 10:46:25 AM »
worse than Jimmy Harbaugh?
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2022, 10:54:22 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 10, 2022, 10:43:02 AM
Not only was OC Brian Ferentz not fired,  but Iowa made things worse by making Brian Ferentz the new QB coach in 2022 after long time mentor Ken O'Keefe retired.

Needless to say, Brian Ferentz as both OC and QB coach has been a complete disaster of historical levels.  From now on Brian Ferentz will represent the measuring stick of just how bad a QB coach could possibly be.  Possibly the worst QB coach in modern college football history.
Should let Buds handle the QB coaching.
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2022, 11:19:00 AM »
Captain Kirk should be on the hot seat, but a $42 million buyout keeps that seat ice cold. And unlike Paul Chryst in Madison, I don't think Kirk will walk away with a penny less than what he's owed.
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2022, 11:50:50 AM »
Kirk is ornery 
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2022, 12:03:14 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2022, 10:54:22 AM
Should let Buds handle the QB coaching.
Yes the Iowa staff could use a shakeup.

Fire the OL coach.  The OL is terrible and now is committing a lot of penalties.

Demote Brian Ferentz to OL coach where he was at least competent in the past.

Promote Jon Budmyr from offensive analyst to the new OC and QB coach.

At the very least make Budmyr the new QB coach and co-offensive coordinator.  Brian Ferentz can be the OL coach and the other co-offensive coordinator.  Just make sure Budmyr takes over the play calling.
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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2022, 12:05:58 PM »
It would be unfathomable for Venables to be on the hot seat this year.  That'd be utterly ridiculous.  

A lot of fans seem to wish the former Domer down in Baton Rouge was on the hot seat, but he's not, because that'd be likewise ridiculous.  

Both those guys need to show improvements as early as next year, tho, or else they'll be coaching for their job every week in year 3.  

Well....I say that, but Kelly's buyout will probably prohibit LSU from being relevant again until like 2030
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2022, 12:18:00 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 07:50:39 AM
Somewhat related...



Replacing a coach is like a box of chocolates ...
The point of those lists is to be awful, and that list is quite awful.
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2022, 12:22:04 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 10, 2022, 12:18:00 PM
The point of those lists is to be awful, and that list is quite awful.
It's on my list of "awful lists".  

Fans often think, I think, (to the extent they think at all) that getting rid of the HC will "solve whatever it is".  Michigan would have a slam bang offense if only they hired a QB guru head coach with NFL experience and success.  Iowa would suddenly be good if only they hired Urban Meyer.  

LSU would return to greatness if only they hire some famous HC who had success at another major program.
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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2022, 12:25:44 PM »
Tim Brewster not hitting a list of 50 bad hires is further evidence of the sheer awfulness of that list.
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2022, 12:39:37 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 12:22:04 PM
It's on my list of "awful lists". 

Fans often think, I think, (to the extent they think at all) that getting rid of the HC will "solve whatever it is".  Michigan would have a slam bang offense if only they hired a QB guru head coach with NFL experience and success.  Iowa would suddenly be good if only they hired Urban Meyer. 

LSU would return to greatness if only they hire some famous HC who had success at another major program.

True, yet there are obvious situations where a coach has to go, and getting rid of Orgeron was one of them.  For on and off-field reasons.  

Will they return to greatness with a coach who had success elsewhere?  Heck if I know, but 1) he was as good a hire as any since a hire had to be made, and 2) year 1 won't tell us anything one way or the other.  LSU brought 38 scholly players to the bowl game last season, and this roster is cobbled together with transfer portal kids who couldn't make it elsewhere, and underclassmen.  If you don't follow the program it's impossible to overstate how quickly and how badly O tanked the roster and the culture.  Nobody was coming in here and polishing this turd.  I hope he's "the guy."  I think he's an odd fit for our school and I have my doubts.  
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2022, 01:04:54 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 12:22:04 PM
It's on my list of "awful lists". 

Fans often think, I think, (to the extent they think at all) that getting rid of the HC will "solve whatever it is".  Michigan would have a slam bang offense if only they hired a QB guru head coach with NFL experience and success.  Iowa would suddenly be good if only they hired Urban Meyer. 

LSU would return to greatness if only they hire some famous HC who had success at another major program.
I've seen Michigan hire pretty bad head coaches in RichRod and Hoke and become a gutter program. No thanks. I'll stick with the devil I know. I don't like Harbaugh at all- he just is what he is in terms of an offensive coach and that's never going to change- but the guy is a pretty good head coach. He's keeping Michigan in the top 25 basically every season with the exception of what seems like a flukish COVID year- and getting around 10 wins a year. Hey, I'll take it. 

Dude can recruit. Dude can identify and scout talent and develop talent. Dude can field good OLs and DLs and brings toughness to the lines of scrimmage that had been severely lacking prior to his arrival. And the games are won/lost in the trenches. IMO he doesn't need to be replaced- he just needs to be neutered by the AD. Offense needs to be completely ripped out of his hands- he shouldn't even be allowed in offensive meetings or have decisions on QB, RB, WR personnel, passing scheme, or OC hires. 
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Re: Coaching hot seats
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2022, 01:44:11 PM »
There are certainly off field reasons for firing the HC.  We all see a LOT of programs fire a fairly successful guy and then go through a merry-go-round of coaches either not given enough time or simply worse as HCs - Texas, Tennessee, USC, Eastern Michigan, Florida, ...  Finding the right balance is a trick when you have Deep Pocket Donors calling you at 2AM every night.

What if Ohio State had kept Fickell?  My guess is he'd be doing pretty well, maybe not as well as Day is, but 10+ wins a year.  Luke seems to be a good coach at least at a lesser program.  What if UGA had kept Richt?  My guess is they'd be averaging 10+ wins a season, probably not being a playoff team more than once, maybe.  Richt didn't do much at Miami.  

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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2022, 02:13:38 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 10, 2022, 01:44:11 PM
There are certainly off field reasons for firing the HC.  We all see a LOT of programs fire a fairly successful guy and then go through a merry-go-round of coaches either not given enough time or simply worse as HCs - Texas, Tennessee, USC, Eastern Michigan, Florida, ...  Finding the right balance is a trick when you have Deep Pocket Donors calling you at 2AM every night.

What if Ohio State had kept Fickell?  My guess is he'd be doing pretty well, maybe not as well as Day is, but 10+ wins a year.  Luke seems to be a good coach at least at a lesser program.  What if UGA had kept Richt?  My guess is they'd be averaging 10+ wins a season, probably not being a playoff team more than once, maybe.  Richt didn't do much at Miami. 


Lost back-to-back bowl games to Wisconsin. That got him fired.
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