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847badgerfan

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2021, 10:16:20 AM »
Franklin was born and raised in PA. Not sure people know this.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2021, 10:28:56 AM »
I don't watch much ACC. 

PAC....Oregon maybe?  USC is supposed to have several natural advantages.  And as far as I know anything about the program, I agree.  Why aren't more NCs being won there, and why do "bad coaches" keep winning in Baton Rouge?  This type of thinking, I suspect, is more common than worrying about competition.  If I were a coach I'd look at USC and think "I should be able to win there" and look at LSU and think "People are winning there," both with some history to back it up. 

While at PSU you have titles last in 1986 or 1994, depending on titles PSU claims or not.  But then you also have a salary that's more than most people need in a lifetime, a spectacular gameday atmosphere, evidently the ability to recruit well enough, and avoid the insane expectations at a place like LSU (I don't know what fan expectations are at USC). 

That's a long-winded way of saying who knows what a guy like Franklin thinks is important.  There's differences, but maybe not objectively "better" jobs.  

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2021, 10:43:02 AM »
And by the way, because I don't miss any chance to slight the Gumps...

If it really is easier to win an NC in Death Valley than Happy Valley, then it follows that OSU > Alabama and B1G East > SEC West :)

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2021, 11:01:00 AM »
And by the way, because I don't miss any chance to slight the Gumps...

If it really is easier to win an NC in Death Valley than Happy Valley, then it follows that OSU > Alabama and B1G East > SEC West :)
LOL, don't let me stand in the way of trolling your rival, but it's also possible that recruiting to Death Valley > recruiting to Happy Valley. :57:

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #88 on: October 28, 2021, 11:14:28 AM »
I don't see why I should let facts stand in the way of a good narrative.  

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« Reply #89 on: October 28, 2021, 11:20:32 AM »
LSU should just hire Dave Aranda and not look back. If he wins, he'll be there forever.

USC is considering him too. He is from California and has spent most of his career out West.
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« Reply #90 on: October 28, 2021, 11:33:03 AM »
I think he'd do well, lot of fans would like to see him back. 

I think Woody has some interest, but right now not as much as in others.  It's all fluid though, could change by hiring time.

In general LSU would try for someone with more of a track record than Aranda, but who knows.  He's also not much for recruiting, and that's a must for our program.  

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« Reply #91 on: October 28, 2021, 11:36:15 AM »
But seriously, if I said B1G East > SEC west, prove me wrong. 

OSU, I'd think, has to be thought of as at least comparable to Alabama this year.  Ole Miss has a great offense, A&M may have a good defense, but does that outweigh the depth of Michigan, Sparty, and PSU?  SECw doesn't have much else to offer in 2021.  

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2021, 11:51:37 AM »
Yeah, it's plausible, but could look different in a couple weeks.  The B1GE is about to play each other.

I can't see Ole Miss and A&M and Auburn as anything but decent teams that are not elite.  Arky started nicely.  MSU?  Meh.  The SECE is probably worse though perhaps we could list Florida and UK as being decent, we'll know more about Florida Saturday evening.  I have a bad feeling about that game.




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« Reply #93 on: October 28, 2021, 03:47:59 PM »
if the goal is a national championship, the gauntlet is formidable regardless of conference

the 4-team playoff is waiting

therefore, a coach will go to the place that allows the best recruiting advantages.  if you don't have the best players, beating Bama or Ohio St. takes some luck.

LSU is easier to get better recruits than Penn St.  that much we all know

Bob Stoops admitted at one time, that he made a very easy decision when he was offered by his alma mater, Iowa and more fertile recruiting grounds, Oklahoma.

LSU also gets better recruits than USC
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #94 on: October 28, 2021, 04:09:35 PM »
Getting to the playoff obviously is the first hurdle, and then it's somewhat a matter of chance, presuming you have a very good team in the first place.  It's easier to get the first part if you're Clemson, so they make the playoff often and win a few NCs on occasion.

I'd rather have a 10% chance in the playoff than a 0% chance out of it.

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« Reply #95 on: October 28, 2021, 04:59:12 PM »
if you're recruiting at a high enough level

you have a better chance to be in the playoff and then of course perhaps better than 10% chance to win 2 straight

bama and Ohio St have recruited somewhat better than Clemson

2019 LSU had better talent than Bama and Ohio St.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #96 on: October 28, 2021, 05:01:33 PM »
I'm thinking of a less than elite team that goes 13-0 in a weak P5 conference and thus has only a 10% chance of winning the NC because they aren't that good.


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« Reply #97 on: October 28, 2021, 05:06:06 PM »
you are correct about that team, such as Oregon, or Wake Forrest or Oklahoma

I'm thinking many coaches that want to actually win national titles place more value on recruiting advantages
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