Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread

[betarhoalphadelta]

Put the one year sit out rule back in.  No waivers

That would be an improvement, especially for fans. Might lesson the need for coaches to constantly re-recruit their own roster too. 

That said, I think we have two problems. The NIL problem and the transfer portal problem. I don't know of a good way to weight them in order of parity-crushing significance. If it's 90% NIL / 10% portal, that change, while good, does little. If it's closer to 50/50 then it's a much more significant improvement. 

[847badgerfan]

I'm surprised MSU didn't appear to even kick the tires there.  Confirmed the OL and TE coaches are coming from Corvallis, would love to add Jim as a DC

USC is all over him right now, for the DC role, he's a Wisconsin guy to the bone and the Packers need a DC.

It's a no-brainer. He won't even have to move.

[ELA]

That would be an improvement, especially for fans. Might lesson the need for coaches to constantly re-recruit their own roster too.

That said, I think we have two problems. The NIL problem and the transfer portal problem. I don't know of a good way to weight them in order of parity-crushing significance. If it's 90% NIL / 10% portal, that change, while good, does little. If it's closer to 50/50 then it's a much more significant improvement.

To be honest, if you want to spend that kind of money on 17 year olds, good on you.  Purdue and MSU might pull in 1 or 2 4* guys per year, so I think that's just the big schools fighting each other to pay the guys that they were largely going to land anyway.

The problem IMO is that those schools used to occasionally have a gap.  They had a QB declare early, and maybe missed for a cycle.  So suddenly, you just have an unproven true sophomore QB.  Those helmet schools always had more talent, but the "parity" came from where they might have one big hole, and a mid level P5 team had a really good cycle, with a bunch of underrated 3* kids all as juniors or seniors.

Now, the helmet school just plugs that hole, likely with an underrated 3* kid who was at a Purdue or an MSU.  So not only will those schools never have those holes, its unlikely a Purdue or an MSU can retain all the kids they coach up.  If you want to pay for a transfer, go for it, but he has to sit out a year.  He can still go to your school, nobody is stopping him.  he just can't play.  Just like a kid who has used all of his eligibility

[MikeDeTiger]

To be honest, if you want to spend that kind of money on 17 year olds, good on you.  Purdue and MSU might pull in 1 or 2 4* guys per year, so I think that's just the big schools fighting each other to pay the guys that they were largely going to land anyway.

The problem IMO is that those schools used to occasionally have a gap.  They had a QB declare early, and maybe missed for a cycle.  So suddenly, you just have an unproven true sophomore QB.  Those helmet schools always had more talent, but the "parity" came from where they might have one big hole, and a mid level P5 team had a really good cycle, with a bunch of underrated 3* kids all as juniors or seniors.

Now, the helmet school just plugs that hole, likely with an underrated 3* kid who was at a Purdue or an MSU.  So not only will those schools never have those holes, its unlikely a Purdue or an MSU can retain all the kids they coach up.  If you want to pay for a transfer, go for it, but he has to sit out a year.  He can still go to your school, nobody is stopping him.  he just can't play.  Just like a kid who has used all of his eligibility

This is the worst part so far, imo.  One of the great things about cfb has been the overlooked recruit who broke out and elevated a team nobody was expecting to have a good season, or maybe it was a kid who was highly regarded but grew up a fan of a school or wanted to stay home and play for the home team.  

What we have now is the cfb version of upward wealth transfer where the resources of the many, the normal, the everyday teams, are being siphoned off and given to the already-elite.  

[Gigem]

You really want parity?  Let players have 5 years of eligibility. 3 years at one school, they get a 5 th year. They can transfer only once, after freshman year. No more red shirt seasons. Lots of smaller schools would benefit by players who would never make it in the nfl. Stars leave early anyway for the draft. 

[OrangeAfroMan]

I've said it before, but I never thought about Purdue competing for the absolute biggest prize (at least in football). We were always a "hamburger" school, not a filet mignon school. It never bothered me.

I found joy in the uniqueness that is college football. The history, the traditions. The fact that until the BCS, the MNC was just a popularity contest after all the bowls were over, but every team in the country was angling for the best bowl situation each year. For Purdue, maybe going to the Rose was almost a once-per-generation event, but getting a top-tier or even NYD bowl was a reward for a good season. Even a hamburger bowl meant you were playing in December and your team got extra practices to prep for the next season. Sometimes that hamburger was pretty tasty.

But the 12-team playoff will suck the oxygen out of the room entirely. The hamburger bowls still exist, but they've been left out on the counter half-eaten for a day and a half and are moldy because they weren't cared for. History and tradition? USC and UCLA and Oregon and Washington are in the goddamn Big Ten! The 18-team Big Ten. NIL, the transfer portal, the CCG, and going to divisionless CCG entry criteria, all make the rich richer. And that leaves the moldy half-eaten hamburger for the rest of us and you expect we, as fans, are going to be happy and find joy in it?

The chase that EVERYTHING has to be about the championship has sucked the joy out of a sport that the fans of irrelevant programs loved specifically because it wasn't always about the national championship race. Now it's CFP or f**k off.

I'll never ever understand fans liking NFL over college football.  
The sheer volume of/and diversity of college makes it so amazing. 
And Florida has basically stunk for 10 years now, but I watch every game intensely.  

The lack of an actual leader has allowed college football to run off the rails.  And the "progress" of officially allowing a seat at the table for the little guy has been done in a way to guarantee that little guy CANNOT win.  The great big, fat lie about 60 or 80 or 133 teams being in the same classification and thus, technically, all able to win the NC has been replaced with a placation and an immovable object:  the 12 team playoff = 4 straight games against legit programs.

College football also has/had the 4-year cycle, where you are a fan of the program and individuals come and go.  What do we have now?  50% or more of a team transferring in and out and that natural 4-year turnover turning into a bastardized annual turnover.

When you let the mechanism evolve on its own, you get a wild jungle.  We could have molded it, planned it out, and mapped it for the benefit of the SPORT and not the individual program or upper rung of programs.  
They've let $$$$ > health of the sport, and that's not a great plan.

Take Purdue.  Mediocre program, sure, but that huge upset of OSU!  Drew Brees!  A Rose Bowl!  Mike Alstott!  Tons of great WRs!  Tons of great DEs!  The hard-hat mascot!  The big drum!  
I have no tie to Purdue or anything, but I love that it exists.  Purdue matters.  Even if it doesn't "matter," it still matters!  

It may not, in the near future.  This unplanned, untethered evolution of the game is garbage.  

[Cincydawg]

In my experience in life, leadership by committee generates poor solutions to problems, and often creates more problems than solutions.

Of course, a dictatorship in the hands of one person can do the same, and will, over time.  You might have a good one for a period followed by an idiot.

Humans try and create hybrid systems that also don't work very well.  It's inherent.

[Gigem]

The best thing to do is to just go ahead and split Div I football out now.  The programs that want to be super programs, or NFL lite, can split into their own 30-50 team league.  Not really sure if there is enough to even fill that out, maybe only top 20.  Pay the players outright, have their own TV contract.  The whole 9.  A totally separate entity from today's NCAA structure.  This would be the Ohio State's, Alabama's, and OU's.  

The rest can go back into a traditional NCAA football structure, organized into conferences, limit the transfer opportunities, and limit coaches pay along with assistants and AD's.  They should limit TV as well.  Maybe only pick the best handful of games every week and only broadcast those.  The in-person experience should be the top priority.  Because as nice as watching it on TV is, it's essentially the killer of all things CFB that we love.  

Limit the TV, limit the TV time-outs.  And, share the revenue equally apart from stadium tickets.  

[847badgerfan]

I think in the end, you'll have probably only have the Kings and Barons left standing.

From Georgia, finally elevated, to 5 teams now peasants: Stew Mandel’s Kings & Barons - The Athletic
From Georgia, finally elevated, to 5 teams now peasants: Stew Mandel’s Kings & Barons - The Athletic

The Athletic is top of the class of college football coverage. It's well worth the $75/year. 

[Gigem]

Your list sounds about right to me.  Throw in a few more teams to get to 30ish, make it a league like the NFL, and get it over with.  Because that's where we're heading, except with 100ish teams, of which 70-75 have nothing much to play for.  

I wouldn't mind it if A&M stayed in the traditional NCAA league.  

[847badgerfan]

I wouldn't mind if Wisconsin pulled a UChicago, but that's not happening. Money and stuff.

[847badgerfan]

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Mike Elko contract, salary: Deal for new Texas A&M coach heavy on incentives for postseason success - CBSSports.com

[SuperMario]

The problem IMO is that those schools used to occasionally have a gap.  They had a QB declare early, and maybe missed for a cycle.  So suddenly, you just have an unproven true sophomore QB.  Those helmet schools always had more talent, but the "parity" came from where they might have one big hole, and a mid level P5 team had a really good cycle, with a bunch of underrated 3* kids all as juniors or seniors.

Now, the helmet school just plugs that hole, likely with an underrated 3* kid who was at a Purdue or an MSU.  So not only will those schools never have those holes, its unlikely a Purdue or an MSU can retain all the kids they coach up.  

This is really spot on and the part I truly dislike the most. Rooting for a helmet school, sure it does help the helmet schools, but I also have always loved to root for an underdog which was the result of the parity you described. The writing has been on the wall for a long time, but now living through it in real time stinks. 

I compare it to MLB of my youth to today. I come from great parents that were very lower middle class. They spent all the money on education for us we had two vacations outside the state of Ohio in 18 years. Where they spent their little extra money was taking us downtown to a baseball game as a family, sitting in not so great seats, but we where there and it was affordable and for people that loved baseball, there was nothing better. Nowadays, baseball is all about money and it's target audience on-site isn't about people that love their game, it's about people that will spend $ because it's the place to be. It's why Cleveland is spending $450 million to redo their stadium, removing seats so they can put in "hangout places."

College football is on the same path. It's no longer about the love of the game, the tradition and the sport, it's about the $, the people that can provide it, the people that can spend it on-site and the young kids that can earn it.

[utee94]

1) I agree 100% with what AAA said above

2) Rumors that Petrino might be interviewing for the OC position back at Arkansas.

Can that be real?  He was fired for cause at Arkansas just a few years back.  Seems like the vetting process should be a 5-second conversation with HR where they say, "You want to do WHAT?  Uh, no."