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Topic: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #378 on: November 27, 2023, 10:41:48 AM »
can't cancel football
football TV $$$ pays for the rest of the athletic department
I suppose you could cancel the entire athletic department
Again, that's why it's a no win situation.

Can't win. Can't quit. 

So might as well just show up and pantomime that you give a damn. 

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #379 on: November 27, 2023, 10:44:55 AM »
Ed Zachery

and get bargain basement coaches from the MAC or Div 2 and just win enough to put enough butts in the stands to pay the small salary
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #380 on: November 27, 2023, 10:53:01 AM »
There is no point. It's a no-win situation. You might as well just cancel football as a sport for these teams, but there's too much ego in both the athletic departments and the fan base to do that. And if you're going to have a football program, you have to at least do enough to make the fans and media think you actually care what their results are. Even if their ceiling is meaningless bowl game while being cannon fodder on TV for the 15 or so programs that are relevant a few weeks a year.
It’s always interesting to me to realize some people can’t find joy in sports unless a team is competing for the absolute biggest prize.

Not because I don’t understand it, but because it feels like a toxic and unpleasant way to experience something that can be fun. And if a person can turn off their care altogether, it seemed not too difficult to turn off caring about which bowl a team goes to or where it stands in the CFP.

It’s like saying because you can’t get fillet mignon, not eating is easier (and for some, that might be true). Meanwhile I’m just enjoying my burger over here.

(I think my baseball and CFB experience probably informed my thoughts here. I realized wishing my teams into contending was just making me mad. And my baseball team won some titles with mid teams, which made me realize this all was kind of random. So why not appreciate things for what they are rather than what they’re not)

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #381 on: November 27, 2023, 11:02:22 AM »
This recent exchange is perhaps why I'm so fastidious (and opposed to) about the use of the term 'we' by fans.   You're not on the team, and perhaps you shouldn't be committing your own resources to the operation.   I'm decades checked out on that kind of commitment.  

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #382 on: November 27, 2023, 11:43:01 AM »
It’s always interesting to me to realize some people can’t find joy in sports unless a team is competing for the absolute biggest prize.

Not because I don’t understand it, but because it feels like a toxic and unpleasant way to experience something that can be fun. And if a person can turn off their care altogether, it seemed not too difficult to turn off caring about which bowl a team goes to or where it stands in the CFP.

It’s like saying because you can’t get fillet mignon, not eating is easier (and for some, that might be true). Meanwhile I’m just enjoying my burger over here.
I've said it before, but I never thought about Purdue competing for the absolute biggest prize (at least in football). We were always a "hamburger" school, not a filet mignon school. It never bothered me. 

I found joy in the uniqueness that is college football. The history, the traditions. The fact that until the BCS, the MNC was just a popularity contest after all the bowls were over, but every team in the country was angling for the best bowl situation each year. For Purdue, maybe going to the Rose was almost a once-per-generation event, but getting a top-tier or even NYD bowl was a reward for a good season. Even a hamburger bowl meant you were playing in December and your team got extra practices to prep for the next season. Sometimes that hamburger was pretty tasty.

But the 12-team playoff will suck the oxygen out of the room entirely. The hamburger bowls still exist, but they've been left out on the counter half-eaten for a day and a half and are moldy because they weren't cared for. History and tradition? USC and UCLA and Oregon and Washington are in the goddamn Big Ten! The 18-team Big Ten. NIL, the transfer portal, the CCG, and going to divisionless CCG entry criteria, all make the rich richer. And that leaves the moldy half-eaten hamburger for the rest of us and you expect we, as fans, are going to be happy and find joy in it?

The chase that EVERYTHING has to be about the championship has sucked the joy out of a sport that the fans of irrelevant programs loved specifically because it wasn't always about the national championship race. Now it's CFP or f**k off. 

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #383 on: November 27, 2023, 11:47:30 AM »
I've said it before, but I never thought about Purdue competing for the absolute biggest prize (at least in football). We were always a "hamburger" school, not a filet mignon school. It never bothered me.

I found joy in the uniqueness that is college football. The history, the traditions. The fact that until the BCS, the MNC was just a popularity contest after all the bowls were over, but every team in the country was angling for the best bowl situation each year. For Purdue, maybe going to the Rose was almost a once-per-generation event, but getting a top-tier or even NYD bowl was a reward for a good season. Even a hamburger bowl meant you were playing in December and your team got extra practices to prep for the next season. Sometimes that hamburger was pretty tasty.

But the 12-team playoff will suck the oxygen out of the room entirely. The hamburger bowls still exist, but they've been left out on the counter half-eaten for a day and a half and are moldy because they weren't cared for. History and tradition? USC and UCLA and Oregon and Washington are in the goddamn Big Ten! The 18-team Big Ten. NIL, the transfer portal, the CCG, and going to divisionless CCG entry criteria, all make the rich richer. And that leaves the moldy half-eaten hamburger for the rest of us and you expect we, as fans, are going to be happy and find joy in it?

The chase that EVERYTHING has to be about the championship has sucked the joy out of a sport that the fans of irrelevant programs loved specifically because it wasn't always about the national championship race. Now it's CFP or f**k off.
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #384 on: November 27, 2023, 11:59:26 AM »
yup, I don't need to have mid-90s Nebraska to be content and interested and vested in the program.
but, I need to be relevant.
Challenging for a conference title or a division title with a shot.
8-9-10 wins and ranked and at least mentioned in the discussion


with mega conferences w/o divisions and the playoff if you're not in the top 10 with less than 2 losses you're not in the discussion
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #385 on: November 27, 2023, 12:00:09 PM »
This recent exchange is perhaps why I'm so fastidious (and opposed to) about the use of the term 'we' by fans.  You're not on the team, and perhaps you shouldn't be committing your own resources to the operation.  I'm decades checked out on that kind of commitment. 
We agree.

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #386 on: November 27, 2023, 12:02:04 PM »
Ole Miss fans explained to me they enjoyed the game, and mostly the tail gate before and after.  If they won, great, fine, whatever.

An Alabama fan was there nodding and said "Yeah, at Bama, we criticize the team after a 63-7 blowout and everyone is miserable, and drunk."

I get a sense UGA fans are becoming that way too, if they weren't already.

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« Reply #387 on: November 27, 2023, 12:05:59 PM »
Days days are numbered.  Several media outlets are rumored to be looking into who hired the PI firm.  I figure O$U will keep Day until after whatever “butt suck bowl game*” they’re gifted and then fire him if he doesn’t bail first.

*a phrase I read and borrowed from an anonymous buckeye fan during a schadenfreude scan of buckeye message boards.

That just can't be right.  tOSU would be insane to fire Day.  

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« Reply #388 on: November 27, 2023, 12:19:53 PM »
That just can't be right.  tOSU would be insane to fire Day. 
Well, now that Jimbo is available...

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« Reply #389 on: November 27, 2023, 12:29:48 PM »
Ole Miss fans explained to me they enjoyed the game, and mostly the tail gate before and after.  If they won, great, fine, whatever.

An Alabama fan was there nodding and said "Yeah, at Bama, we criticize the team after a 63-7 blowout and everyone is miserable, and drunk."

I get a sense UGA fans are becoming that way too, if they weren't already.

The tailgating scene at LSU was always a major part of the fandom.  I don't think that tradition would/could continue if LSU slips into the tier of people who know they're not competing for NCs.  In which case, I'm with Brad and ELA.....screw the what the sport has turned into for that.  There's been times LSU was bad.  There was always the sense that conditions were favorable to be relevant again....have to find the right coach, have to keep the in-state kids in state, etc.  Sometimes they did that, sometimes they didn't.  There was always hope.  

Now we have NIL and the state's wretched economy finally matters to the football program.  The average LSU NIL deal is less than half of the average deals at Texas and Georgia, for example.  No signs of that changing.  Last recruiting cycle, LSU lost out on all their targets they most coveted from the portal, to Texas and FSU, because they were outbid in NIL $.  Defensive recruiting is again going poorly, forcing more portal activity, and it's going to be the same story.  Why go to Baton Rouge when you can make a lot more money in Austin playing for a team that actually knows how to coach defense?  

Add that in with quite a list of odd, questionable, frustrating coaching decisions, and I've done a 180 on my outlook on where the program is headed.  If you'd have asked me last year after the regular season, I would've said I was optimistic.  A win over Alabama with what I thought was likely to be Kelly's worst team, and outside of an avalanche in the first few minutes in the SEC CG, they went on to play UGA the rest of the game reasonably well, even without the benefit of constant rotation that UGA was able to do.  In hindsight, the Alabama win looks like a fluke, a game we stole from a superior team by pulling off a 2 pt. conversion in OT, this team wouldn't play UGA any better despite UGA not being as good and LSU having more players available, and the signs aren't there anymore that the team is making overall progress.  In fact, given that the only successful part of the team this year depended on a generational freak at QB, even that part doesn't look repeatable or sustainable.  Everything else regressed, the players, the play on the field, and the coaching. 

I'm not complaining about a 9-3 season.  Having lived through the 90's, this was a great season.  I'm forecasting for the future, though, and I think we're probably entering Brad and ELA's description of the teams that max at 9-3 and the decades-long expectation that LSU can be more may have to be adjusted.  Time will tell.  Alabama built the Death Star, and now Georgia has followed suit.  Outside of the conference, Ohio State, Texas, Michigan (for now at least) has done the same thing.  LSU is not on par with any of those schools and I don't currently see signs that the team is headed in that direction, or able to.  It's going to prove to be a different world when you can't match NIL $ with the big dogs, even if the coaching were there.  

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #390 on: November 27, 2023, 12:42:37 PM »
I read that the founder of Cane's Chicken is the richest person in Louisana, about $8 billion or so.  I thought he was a BR/LSU guy?  I think he could swing some NIL your way?  

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #391 on: November 27, 2023, 12:46:42 PM »
Could he?  Probably.  Is he?  Apparently not. 

I believe he is from Baton Rouge or somewhere close around there.  I don't know if he went to school there or has any inclination to help the football program.  

 

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