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Topic: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #364 on: November 27, 2023, 08:20:01 AM »
Is hiring a "steward" a good thing?
how much does a steward get paid???
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #365 on: November 27, 2023, 08:40:13 AM »
Breaking: Oklahoma OC Jeff Lebby has agreed to a five-year deal to become the next head coach of Mississippi State Football,
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #366 on: November 27, 2023, 09:24:58 AM »
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Yeah, sure, if you catch all the breaks, your record will be better....

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #367 on: November 27, 2023, 09:57:41 AM »
...they absolutely should have vetted the field and worked through back-channels to make sure they had a done deal, before shooting from the hip at... Mark Stoops?And then within 12 hours throwing the offer out to Elko...?


But yeah, hiring the Dook guy isn't going to impress anyone.

I keep forgetting Elko was A&M’s DC 2018-21, which were Jimbo’s first four seasons. I’m sure that played a part thanks to mutual familiarity between Elko and A&M’s admin. On the other hand, if you’re A&M is Elko who you really want – more of the old guard? Who you just fired at an eight/nine figure cost?

More importantly, I’m not convinced Elko has proven himself worthy of a job as big as A&M. Yes his first two years at Duke resulted in winning seasons, but it seems Elko is getting hired based on Duke’s overpraised win Vs a four loss Clemson team with a stunted offense. Outside of beating Clemson, Duke has performed average Vs standard ACC fare, predictably losing to ranked Notre Dame, Florida State, Louisville, North Carolina, and also losing to a bad Virginia team.

That’s enough to bill Elko as worth replacing Fisher?

Texas A&M hiring Elko because he beat Clemson on national TV reminds me of Texas rushing out to hire Tom Herman based largely on his opportunistic Houston squad beating #3 Oklahoma to open the 2016 season.

I would’ve gone after Lane Kiffin. He’d turn around A&M’s underachieving offense. He knows how to play the NIL game. His brash rhetoric would be well received in Aggieland, and since his USC days, Kiffin has developed into a much more well-rounded program manager.

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #368 on: November 27, 2023, 10:01:11 AM »
Elko seems like a shot in the dark, more or less.  They may be doing a Tennessee.

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #369 on: November 27, 2023, 10:05:20 AM »
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #370 on: November 27, 2023, 10:14:07 AM »
Good comparison, Iowa got some breaks, Nebbie have them go the other way, TOs etc.  I'd guess Florida will get "back" at some point, they'll get an elite QB with a good enough OL and good coaching and get to ten wins, at least, maybe the playoff.  I watched a few of their games this season and agree they seem very undisciplined.  They lose their cool too often and get in the wrong spot on D.

Napier probably has next year, and then ...

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« Reply #371 on: November 27, 2023, 10:21:38 AM »
And I'm not pretending MSU is more than it is.  John L Smith deserved to get fired, because based on what college football was in the mid 2000s, Michigan State should at least be making bowls. Today, who cares?  There is no difference between 9-3 and 3-9, other than playing in a randomly selected exhibition game, where every NFL prospect opts out.  If your ceiling is that, which is like 120 schools, why buy out a coach for not hitting your ceiling, when your ceiling is still irrelevant?
There is no point. It's a no-win situation. You might as well just cancel football as a sport for these teams, but there's too much ego in both the athletic departments and the fan base to do that. And if you're going to have a football program, you have to at least do enough to make the fans and media think you actually care what their results are. Even if their ceiling is meaningless bowl game while being cannon fodder on TV for the 15 or so programs that are relevant a few weeks a year. 

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #372 on: November 27, 2023, 10:27:21 AM »
can't cancel football
football TV $$$ pays for the rest of the athletic department
I suppose you could cancel the entire athletic department
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #373 on: November 27, 2023, 10:29:03 AM »
And I'm not pretending MSU is more than it is.  John L Smith deserved to get fired, because based on what college football was in the mid 2000s, Michigan State should at least be making bowls. Today, who cares?  There is no difference between 9-3 and 3-9, other than playing in a randomly selected exhibition game, where every NFL prospect opts out.  If your ceiling is that, which is like 120 schools, why buy out a coach for not hitting your ceiling, when your ceiling is still irrelevant?
If you’re a burned out, cynical and disconnected fan, absolutely! 

But people like that don’t pay the bills. 

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #374 on: November 27, 2023, 10:31:40 AM »
It's a good point to ponder what programs like "Kansas State" are desiring, realistically.  Paying for nonrevenue sports has to be near the top of the AD's list.  Mediocre CFB brings in the money, if it also brings whining by boosters.

At least there is some turnover at the top.

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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #375 on: November 27, 2023, 10:32:47 AM »
Right.  I mean, that's pretty much my point.  This isn't like any other "normal" coach firing and buyout.

If you're going to pull the trigger on flushing a fully guaranteed $77M down the toilet, the process absolutely MUST begin with determining your next coach, and then locking him up.

Realistically they weren't going to get Saban or Meyer, but they absolutely should have vetted the field and worked through back-channels to make sure they had a done deal, before shooting from the hip at... Mark Stoops?  And then within 12 hours throwing the offer out to Elko...?

Their athletic director should be fired for this total incompetence.  I'm not even an aggie, just a Texan, and I'm utterly embarrassed for them.
I mean, this is implying the point is to get a new coach better than the old one. And while that would be wise, it’s not the way booster run schools work.

He was given the money because they were tired of his stupid face.

Now, it would’ve made sense if they’d made better use of the past couple weeks, though they’re in a tight spot with no shiny up and coming candidates.

(Looking back at the Herman firing, that was odd because the department basically just waffled about firing him and did a quasi-public courtship with him still in the job. Which was norm breaking in an interesting way)
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #376 on: November 27, 2023, 10:33:58 AM »
He was given the money because they were tired of his stupid face.
hah, this is what happened to Bo Pelini
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Re: Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread
« Reply #377 on: November 27, 2023, 10:36:55 AM »
He was given the money because they were tired of his stupid face.
Ha!  Ain't that the truth.

 

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