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Topic: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2018, 09:26:47 AM »
I'm guessing the grades and money/free tats and shoes still go on EVERYWHERE

kids like perks
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2018, 09:50:27 AM »
If Waterloo can have a roid scandal, anyone can. 
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2018, 09:55:51 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 25, 2018, 09:50:27 AM
If Waterloo can have a roid scandal, anyone can.
was this within the past 5 years?
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2018, 10:49:21 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on July 24, 2018, 10:38:13 PM
I wish I were equally trusting of their schoolwork and refusal of impermissible benefits.

There are no blood tests to prove whether someone did their own schoolwork or accepted a little cash under the table.

Quote from: bayareabadger on July 25, 2018, 09:00:36 AM
When I was in school, a friend who was an athlete told about a sorta-star football player walking into a store and collecting some items, and the cashier, recognizing him, told him to just have the items.
I don’t think he did because it was right after some kind of compliance refresher, but I’ve not doubts that happened again and someone didn’t say no.

I remember that... Crab legs, right?  :57:
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2018, 11:06:06 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 25, 2018, 09:55:51 AM
was this within the past 5 years?
No. But they did have to sit out the entire 2010 season. 
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2018, 11:17:18 AM »
well, that certainly wasn't the 80's or even the 90's
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2018, 11:24:41 AM »
I hadn't noticed that stipulation. My bad. 
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2018, 11:34:45 AM »
I'm sure roiding was rampant in the 80s

was wondering if it's still happening today
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2018, 11:44:17 AM »
Waterloo is awful even by Canadian CFB standards. If they were roiding as recently as 2010, it is probably safe to extrapolate that it is fairly widespread. 
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2018, 03:33:52 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 25, 2018, 07:54:43 AM
Deep insider?  No.  But I've attended three different P5 schools and was aware of use at all three, and have heard use stories from alums at other Big Ten schools.  Not some massive program like what we saw in the 70s.  But the same way that kids at all accepted impermissible benefits.  Not cars, but a couple hundred bucks here, a $100 gift card there.  My take was that it was kids doing it on their own, which can obviously be dangerous.
I'd say that extrapolation from 3 programs to all programs is premature/irresponsible but the argument should actually come before that. 
You heard about some players. I doubt you watched them shoot up. Sure, that's not a realistic thing to expect. But you did type "promise." And said you'd be surprised if 25+ players per 100-man roster weren't tainted. I don't think you should even do that kind of extrapolation within the three teams you have one or a couple anecdotes for...let alone then extrapolate from those programs to all programs. 
Ultimately: You're talking about hearsay of a small sample (couple players) of a small sample (3 teams). I know you want to assign probabilities, but there's not enough info here to trust one's ability to assign real probabilities.
I don't have that info either and had to stop at calling it an educated guess. That impasse (we both guessed differently) is reasonable to me. A promise is impossible.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2018, 04:03:13 PM »
Well all in all it's 6 programs, not 3, and straight from the mouths of players/trainers at all 6.  3 was just the number I attended, and actually none of the 3 would be the one I have the most connections at.  No I didn't actually watch any players use, but at all 6 programs where I know people who would know, they all said absolutely.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2018, 04:26:27 PM »
That is stronger. You should have started with that. It still sounds qualitative ("oh it definitely happens") and not quantitative ("at least 25 of 100 guys") though. Unless your next post includes a guarantee from these insiders in number.
In any event: still hearsay but it sounds increasingly credible. Bummer.
Did they mention the mode - steroids, red blood cells, EPO, that reindeer thing?
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2018, 04:36:04 PM »
HGH.  While I don't believe we still have S&C coaches helping kids access drugs and assist in their cycles, I'm not sure that's a good thing.  A lot of these kids get it on their own, and god knows what they are actually putting in their bodies.  I think the intent in drug testing is good, and overall does lead to substantially fewer players using.  But I do worry, just like recreational drug use, that once we take it out of the hands of professionals, what kind of risks are we opening those who still use up to.  Particularly while coaches just pretend not to know what's going on.  Remember it was just 2 years ago where Saban took issue with the fact that only CFP teams were subject to NCAA testing.  So he knows.  He's just mad that only 4 out of 128 face NCAA testing for it.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2018, 04:47:51 PM »
really?  the NCAA doesn't drug test any longer?  self testing by the schools themselves?

http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/topics/frequently-asked-questions-about-drug-testing
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