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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2018, 03:24:19 PM »
It's also quite obvious that Frost respects Frank Solich and Bo Pelini, but does NOT respect Bill Callahan (as a head coach) or Mike Riley
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2018, 03:28:15 PM »
Billy C was a helluva OL coach for UW man. Those boys would jump through walls for him.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2018, 03:35:50 PM »
He's also done a solid job coaching O-line in the NFL and continues to do so

just not the right fit in Lincoln, NE
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2018, 03:38:50 PM »
Some coaches are not suited to be the head man. This is one example of many.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2018, 09:26:47 PM »
Quote from: ELA on July 24, 2018, 02:12:43 PM
Sure they have.
They all have.
That's the problem.
Cynical. I disagree.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2018, 10:18:55 PM »
I don't know how many programs roid today, but in the 80's...... it was rampant

not to say all players were on roids in the 80s, but many were, few weren't
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2018, 10:32:40 PM »
Tom's Takes: Big Ten Kickoff Luncheon embodies what makes this conference great
By Tom Shatel / World-Herald staff writer

https://omaha.com/huskers/blogs/tom-s-takes-big-ten-kickoff-luncheon-embodies-what-makes/article_44223692-76b2-5b5c-a725-e50b2d952ccd.html
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2018, 10:38:13 PM »
For sure. Since then, however, I think that the will for oversight and the stigma associated with offending have increased enough to make it comparatively uncommon. 
Of course the stigma isn't absolute, nor is the oversight perfect. But I don't think those balances had to tip 100% to sufficiently deter players. 
Obviously none of us are insiders with locker room phlebotomy kits and spreadsheets of real data, so this is just an educated guess. Still, I'm betting compliance is the norm and that there is a healthy chunk of P5 programs that truly are 100% clean.
I wish I were equally trusting of their schoolwork and refusal of impermissible benefits.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2018, 11:17:13 PM »
I can promise you there are no 100% clean programs, and I'd be pleasantly surprised if any were 75% clean.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2018, 12:03:37 AM »
How can you possibly substantiate that? Maybe you have deep insider hearsay from one or three programs. Am I underestimating?
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2018, 07:54:43 AM »
Deep insider?  No.  But I've attended three different P5 schools and was aware of use at all three, and have heard use stories from alums at other Big Ten schools.  Not some massive program like what we saw in the 70s.  But the same way that kids at all accepted impermissible benefits.  Not cars, but a couple hundred bucks here, a $100 gift card there.  My take was that it was kids doing it on their own, which can obviously be dangerous.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2018, 08:56:57 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2018, 03:38:50 PM
Some coaches are not suited to be the head man. This is one example of many.
I’d alter that slightly to say some coaches are not suited to be head men in certain situations. I think he could’ve been good at a MAC school, maybe a mid-tier big Ten school that had some flexibility in identity. 
He went to a powerhouse in a state of existential disfunction (not unlike RichRod). He went to a team that was about to learn it was not so strong its identity didn’t matter. He wasn’t suited to that job and didn’t produce enough, but I  don’t necessarily think he’s not suited to lead a team. 
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2018, 09:00:36 AM »
Quote from: ELA on July 25, 2018, 07:54:43 AM
Deep insider?  No.  But I've attended three different P5 schools and was aware of use at all three, and have heard use stories from alums at other Big Ten schools.  Not some massive program like what we saw in the 70s.  But the same way that kids at all accepted impermissible benefits.  Not cars, but a couple hundred bucks here, a $100 gift card there.  My take was that it was kids doing it on their own, which can obviously be dangerous.
When I was in school, a friend who was an athlete told about a sorta-star football player walking into a store and collecting some items, and the cashier, recognizing him, told him to just have the items. 
I don’t think he did because it was right after some kind of compliance refresher, but I’ve not doubts that happened again and someone didn’t say no.
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2018, 09:25:56 AM »
as far as performance enhancing drugs, especially roids, I'll ask around.  I know guys my age that did roids back in the early 80s and some that did not.  Their kids were recently playing and would know if it's still the same today or if it's not allowed by coaching staffs and tested for.  Or if like marijuana, it's simply discussed and then hoped that kids stay out of trouble.  Hope it doesn't show up on a random. 
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