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Topic: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2018, 11:43:36 AM »

His track record against OSU is admirable. 

While I wish that he'd've fared a little better vs the Wolverines, they were quite a bit better back then. 
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2018, 11:49:07 AM »
I agree UW is the better team. I just look at the schedules and it lines up nicely for Iowa.
Last year I thought that UW was a lock even in the preseason because their schedule was so much easier than Iowa.  
This year I think Wisconsin should have a really good team, but I am less certain of their getting to the CCG.  Wisconsin's five conference road games include their two most likely divisional competitors (IA, NU) and two potential B1G-E contenders (M, PSU).  That schedule could be problematic for the Badgers even if they are clearly the best team in the B1G-W.  

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2018, 11:52:58 AM »
Wisc is getting a lot of love this year to win the BIG.   I still think it will be OSU, but I think Wisky will be in the playoff discussion. 

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2018, 12:01:36 PM »
they were in the playoff discussion last season, until.........
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2018, 12:22:41 PM »
Until OSU happened. So damn close, but yet so far.


At least they were able to push Miami around.


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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2018, 05:33:43 PM »

2.Michigan State (2)142
3.Penn State (1)141.5
4.Michigan (1.5)140.5
Wow, just wow. 1 point separating these 3. This is what makes preseason exciting. I'm expecting a lot of great football to come out of the East again this year.

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2018, 08:43:07 AM »
2.Michigan State (2)142
3.Penn State (1)141.5
4.Michigan (1.5)140.5
Wow, just wow. 1 point separating these 3. This is what makes preseason exciting. I'm expecting a lot of great football to come out of the East again this year.
In addition to just one point separating those three for 2nd/3rd/4th, they are a lot closer to #1 Ohio State than they are to #5 Maryland.  Some analysis of schedule factors for the presumed top-4 in the B1G-E this year:
Rank (per Cleveland.com). Team: H/A games against the other three top-4 teams: B1G-W opponents and their B1G-W rank:
  • Ohio State: @ PSU, @ MSU, v M:        @#5 PU, v#4 UNL, v#6 MN
  • Michigan State: @ PSU, v M, v tOSU:  @#4 UNL, v#3 NU, v#5 PU
  • Penn State: @ M, v tOSU, v MSU:       @#7 ILL, v#2 IA, v#1 UW
  • Michigan:  @ tOSU, @ MSU, v PSU:     @#3 NU, v#1 UW, v#4 UNL

Looking at the games against each other:  MSU and PSU have the advantage with one road game and two home games while conversely tOSU and M have the disadvantage with one home game and two road games.  

Looking at the three games against the B1G-W:  MSU has the toughest road game but PSU has the toughest set of home games.  Ohio State has the easiest B1G-W slate.  

Overall, I'd say that MSU has the most favorable schedule.  

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2018, 08:56:44 AM »
MSU getting OSU in East Lansing never seems to be an advantage

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2018, 09:07:35 AM »
For some reason I thought that the Illini were MSU's fixed crossover, but it's Northwestern apparently. 
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2018, 09:10:54 AM »
MSU getting OSU in East Lansing never seems to be an advantage
I thought about discussing that but in theory that should be to MSU's advantage and tOSU's disadvantage.  Also, maybe with the 2017 Ohio State win in Columbus the odd streak is over?  
This history:
From 2000-2008 location didn't matter:  The Spartans went 0-7 against the Buckeyes with four losses in Columbus and three in East Lansing.  
From 2008-2016 home field seemed to be a disadvantage:  The Spartans went 3-4 against the Buckeyes but the breakdown is unusual.  MSU was 0-4 against the Buckeyes in East Lansing but 2-0 in Columbus and 1-0 at a neutral site (2013 B1GCG in Indy).  
Last year, for the first time since 2007, the Spartans lost in Columbus.  If the Buckeyes lose in East Lansing this year it will be for the first time since 1999.  

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2018, 09:15:39 AM »
I thought about discussing that but in theory that should be to MSU's advantage and tOSU's disadvantage.  Also, maybe with the 2017 Ohio State win in Columbus the odd streak is over?  
This history:
From 2000-2008 location didn't matter:  The Spartans went 0-7 against the Buckeyes with four losses in Columbus and three in East Lansing.  
From 2008-2016 home field seemed to be a disadvantage:  The Spartans went 3-4 against the Buckeyes but the breakdown is unusual.  MSU was 0-4 against the Buckeyes in East Lansing but 2-0 in Columbus and 1-0 at a neutral site (2013 B1GCG in Indy).  
Last year, for the first time since 2007, the Spartans lost in Columbus.  If the Buckeyes lose in East Lansing this year it will be for the first time since 1999.  
I think you could make the case that since 1999 (the year after MSU upset #1 OSU in Columbus) the better team has won, and location simply is irrelevant in the series.  I think probably only the 2015 MSU win on the Geiger FG cuts against that.  The winner every other time, was simply pretty clearly the better team.

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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2018, 09:36:24 AM »

Turnover Chain my F'ing Ass.


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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2018, 09:41:02 AM »
MSU getting OSU in East Lansing never seems to be an advantage
And let's just keep playing there thank you - kinda guys we are
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Re: Cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten Poll
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2018, 10:16:16 AM »
I think you could make the case that since 1999 (the year after MSU upset #1 OSU in Columbus) the better team has won, and location simply is irrelevant in the series.  I think probably only the 2015 MSU win on the Geiger FG cuts against that.  The winner every other time, was simply pretty clearly the better team.
Wasn't that 1998?

 

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