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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #182 on: January 31, 2024, 04:55:08 PM »

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Upthread Max mentioned that the coach at Ole Miss is a Bjork hire. 
No no - the Old Miss coach is Chris Beard, famous for getting fired from Texas last year for getting arrested for domestic violence. He's a strong basketball coach but there are some roadblocks there. Bjork hired Kermit Davis when he was at Ole Miss. He got canned after five sad seasons and Beard replaced him.


Lamont Paris is an attractive name, though he is in the second year of a five year contract. Not sure what his buyout is, but there probably is one. I'm thinking OSU is going for the bargain bin on a new hire - not sure they would consider him. Hard to say, it's not like they announce those things, but OSU Ad hiring a guy he knows with no buyout is probably more attractive than someone he doesn't know with a buyout.
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #183 on: January 31, 2024, 05:06:44 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2024, 04:55:08 PM
No no - the Old Miss coach is Chris Beard, famous for getting fired from Texas last year for getting arrested for domestic violence. He's a strong basketball coach but there are some roadblocks there. Bjork hired Kermit Davis when he was at Ole Miss. He got canned after five sad seasons and Beard replaced him.

Lamont Paris is an attractive name, though he is in the second year of a five year contract. Not sure what his buyout is, but there probably is one. I'm thinking OSU is going for the bargain bin on a new hire - not sure they would consider him. Hard to say, it's not like they announce those things, but OSU Ad hiring a guy he knows with no buyout is probably more attractive than someone he doesn't know with a buyout.
Oh right.
Yeah, probably a hard no on Beard.

I don't think Ohio State will be as scared of a buyout as you suggest, the tOSU Athletic Department has enough money that they can afford it if they think the situation warrants. Also, if we know anything about Bjork it is that he isn't afraid of spending his employers' money. I'm more scared of him spending too much than I am of him spending too little.

The right coach at $6M/yr is a bargain and the wrong coach at $2M/yr is a waste of money. Of course the wrong coach at $6M/yr is worse than either of those.
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #184 on: January 31, 2024, 06:27:01 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on January 31, 2024, 05:06:44 PM
Oh right.
Yeah, probably a hard no on Beard.

I don't think Ohio State will be as scared of a buyout as you suggest, the tOSU Athletic Department has enough money that they can afford it if they think the situation warrants. Also, if we know anything about Bjork it is that he isn't afraid of spending his employers' money. I'm more scared of him spending too much than I am of him spending too little.

The right coach at $6M/yr is a bargain and the wrong coach at $2M/yr is a waste of money. Of course the wrong coach at $6M/yr is worse than either of those.
There is that, and I'm not ruling it out. But they would owe Holtmann around 15 million, plus paying the buyout if there is one, plus the new contract. The going rate seems to be around 4 million a year. So not cheap. 
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #185 on: February 01, 2024, 06:55:40 AM »
Greg Gard makes $3.5 Mil.
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #186 on: February 01, 2024, 10:53:00 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2024, 06:55:40 AM
Greg Gard makes $3.5 Mil.
Get ready to pay more. The biggest bargain is Matt Painter at 3.58 million.
Kevin Willard signed on at Maryland for 3.9 million. Ed Cooley signed for nearly 6 million, supposedly. Hard to imagine a coach leaving one power five team for another without landing somewhere in that range.
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #187 on: February 01, 2024, 11:00:50 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on February 01, 2024, 10:53:00 AM
Get ready to pay more. The biggest bargain is Matt Painter at 3.58 million.
Kevin Willard signed on at Maryland for 3.9 million. Ed Cooley signed for nearly 6 million, supposedly. Hard to imagine a coach leaving one power five team for another without landing somewhere in that range.
He just signed it...
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #188 on: February 01, 2024, 11:06:26 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2024, 11:00:50 AM
He just signed it...
He's due to make 3.95 million in two years, so he's in the range.
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #189 on: February 02, 2024, 09:43:44 AM »
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-basketball/2024/02/145277/ohio-state-basketball-attendance-continues-falling-as-buckeyes-struggle-through-second-half-of-season?amp

"The Buckeyes’ 10,531-fan average is the lowest in their history playing at Value City Arena, which dates back to the 1998-99 season. The previous low was 12,181, set by none other than last year's Ohio State team. "

AVERAGE ATTENDANCE UNDER HOLTMANN
YEAR AVG. ATTENDANCE %INCREASE/DECREASE
2017-18 13,495 +9.5%
2018-19 13,922 +3.2%
2019-20 14,531 +4.4%
2020-21 N/A N/A
2021-22 13,276 -8.6%
2022-23 12,181 -8.2%
2023-24 10,531 -13.5%

"The air near the Schottenstein Center has started to wreak with a smell more distressing than panic or gloom. It’s a stench called apathy."

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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #190 on: February 02, 2024, 04:59:12 PM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/HoosiersBasketball/comments/1ah37yx/holtmann_may_get_fired_tonight/

I highly doubt the credibility of this but who knows, maybe Gene Smith will suddenly remember that he has a job he is supposed to be doing for a few more months.
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« Reply #191 on: February 02, 2024, 07:43:13 PM »
I'd say other teams are paying attention. Add Roddy Gayle and Bruce Thornton to Indiana? Heck of a team. Definitely shows the stakes here. If they can Holtmann and the new coach gets things turned around - good move. If they get stuck in transfer portal hell and can't get out - stupid and terrible decision.
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #192 on: February 02, 2024, 09:34:11 PM »
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« Reply #193 on: February 02, 2024, 09:41:04 PM »
Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Northwestern currently experiencing benefits of not firing guys on the hot seat.
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #194 on: February 02, 2024, 10:21:37 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on February 02, 2024, 09:41:04 PM
Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Northwestern currently experiencing benefits of not firing guys on the hot seat.
Hoiberg is in his fifth season at a school with an atrocious basketball history. They have literally NEVER won an NCAA Tournament game. His first four seasons were not good but he did show improvement each year and the program average at Nebraska is so bad that even those years weren't definitively worse.

Holtmann has NOT improved each year like Hoiberg. If he had, I wouldn't want him gone.

Gard is in his ninth season. He has two B1G Titles, two S16's, and five top-4 seeds in the BTT.

Holtmann has (checks notes) ZERO B1G Titles and ZERO S16's, and one top-4 seed in the BTT. If he had two S16's and a couple league titles like Gard, I wouldn't want him gone.

Collins is in his 11th season at a school with a basketball history that is arguably worse than even Nebraska's. Their only two league titles came in seasons that began when Herbert Hoover was President. Northwestern has two NCAA Appearances and two NCAA Tournament wins in their entire history and they have literally NEVER played an NCAA Tournament game without him as their HC.

Holtmann has never achieved any program firsts or all-time great achievements at Ohio State as Collins has at Northwestern. If he had, I wouldn't want him gone.

This attempted comparison was one of your weaker efforts, please try again.
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Re: Chris Holtmann
« Reply #195 on: February 02, 2024, 11:20:19 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2024, 04:55:08 PM
No no - the Old Miss coach is Chris Beard, famous for getting fired from Texas last year for getting arrested for domestic violence. He's a strong basketball coach but there are some roadblocks there. Bjork hired Kermit Davis when he was at Ole Miss. He got canned after five sad seasons and Beard replaced him.
Kermit got that job after upsetting Big Ten teams in the tournament in his last two years at MTSU, so maybe you have something there
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