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I think that last part is a bit of a gambler’s fallacy. And the “vastly“ part might be a little bit of an overstatement.

I think the "gambler's fallacy" would be to compare to the best periods in program history. I'm not doing that and I went to great lengths to avoid that. I'm comparing to the ~40 years since tournament expansion and if you went back much further Holtmann would look even worse by comparison because you'd start getting back into Fred Taylor's glory days.

Are you watching tOSU/Northwestern? Ohio State has one if the worst teams in the B1G for the second consecutive season. That is inexcusable for a program with Ohio State's resources. 

Because of Gene Smith himself. It is Gene Smith who made the preemptive decision to saddle Ohio State to Chris Holtmann with a costly extension. Holtmann is not only expensive to get rid of but to do so would appear as an admission of guilt by Gene Smith who everyone knows is the sole decider on Holtmann.

You are right of course. Gene Smith's catastrophic decision to extend a coach with a mediocre (that is VERY charitable) record now leaves us here.

That said, at this point Holtmann's continued employment is a giant middle finger directed at Ohio State's fans. 

https://twitter.com/MrOH1O/status/1751427860265337014?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


https://twitter.com/TorgRadio/status/1751449798119477351?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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https://twitter.com/derekpentenburg/status/1751460107483746505?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


https://twitter.com/freddy2chains/status/1751460057865154697?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


https://twitter.com/kodygriff16/status/1751452170208108678?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Above is right on point. Maintaining a failed coach makes a mockery of a once proud program. 


https://twitter.com/CrimsonTideWes/status/1751450000851104037?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


https://twitter.com/Buckeye_Zone6/status/1751449618301210961?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


https://twitter.com/John_Sabol/status/1751448919882498311?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


https://twitter.com/M_Shelton33/status/1751447200033317165?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Honestly, I can't think of a single reason where you would fire Holtmann midseason, when they've been a pretty decent team. The idea makes no sense. You do that when things have gone hopelessly south or there is some sort of scandal, or there is some benefit in hiring someone new. OSU doesn't really even have a athletic director yet, so none of those things exist here.

Still think we have a pretty decent team?

Losing for the fifth time in six games with that loss being the complete embarrassment of getting run out of the gym in Evanston more-or-less defines "things have gone hopelessly south", no?

If I were the AD, I'd have put him on a back of the plane middle seat coach flight home and not let him see the team ever again.

Exactly. This loss was embarrassing and it is 100% on the seventh year HC. 

When I woke up this morning I googled "Chris Holtmann fired" and was disappointed to learn that Gene Smith isn't doing his job.

So no, the team wasn't competent, though I also don't agree things have gone hopelessly south. That's just the nature of the sport.

LoL
Is there any level of failure that will convince you that the Chris Holtmann era is a failure?