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Topic: 64-Team Tournament (Football)

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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #84 on: March 29, 2020, 10:28:37 PM »
Luck of the draw from the beginning.
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2020, 02:11:43 PM »
well, there goes the chance of huskers vs huskers for all the marbles
Just what I was thinking.
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2020, 03:34:25 PM »
Final Four:
11 Alabama VS 18 Clemson
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95 Nebraska VS 71 Nebraska
11 Alabama vs 18 Clemson
I'm not sure Alabama's offense will be enough here.  That Clemson DL is stout and I think the Tiger offense will score enough so that Bama can't just be comfortable in their ball-control, efficient offense.  Maybe McCarron is asked to do too much.  But also, with the Bama pass D being so great, Clemson would have to rely more on their running game, and it's not nearly as effective as when it's playing off the pass as a change-up.  Etienne only had 20+ carry games twice in 2018.  And against that Bama defense, it may not be effective.
In a relatively low-scoring game between these 2 programs (for a change), I think Clemson does just enough.  
18 Clemson over 11 Alabama
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95 Nebraska vs 71 Nebraska
Is the 71 Husker offense too ordinary to pull this one off?  A good passing game.  A good WR.  Solid RB.  Good FB.  It was good enough to blow out #2 Bama in the bowl.  I'm just having trouble seeing it being effective vs the 95 D.  How are they getting yards here?  Can't get outside on them.  Going to run it right at the Peter bros?  Going to pass it on them?  
Now the defense for the 71 squad, that's your immovable object.  That'll keep them in the game, right?  But the I-backs average 7.7 ypc.  The top 3 RBs do!  And this isn't a low-carry, draw-play system, it's get-your-face-wet smashmouth option football.  Hell, 95's offense looks more like it came from 1971 than 71's offense did.  Teams aren't suppose to average 7 yards per carry, your speedster back up RB is.  The 1971 defense was truly great - even immovable.  And Rodgers will score.  But the '95 Huskers are too irresistible.  
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2020, 03:35:08 PM »
I'm not even that in love with 2018 Clemson.  If i ranked all these teams, they wouldn't be in my top 3.  But this is how the bracket went.
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2020, 09:45:57 PM »
95 Nebraska vs 71 Nebraska
Is the 71 Husker offense too ordinary to pull this one off?  A good passing game.  A good WR.  Solid RB.  Good FB.  It was good enough to blow out #2 Bama in the bowl.  I'm just having trouble seeing it being effective vs the 95 D.  How are they getting yards here?  Can't get outside on them.  Going to run it right at the Peter bros?  Going to pass it on them? 
Now the defense for the 71 squad, that's your immovable object.  That'll keep them in the game, right?  But the I-backs average 7.7 ypc.  The top 3 RBs do!  And this isn't a low-carry, draw-play system, it's get-your-face-wet smashmouth option football.  Hell, 95's offense looks more like it came from 1971 than 71's offense did.  Teams aren't suppose to average 7 yards per carry, your speedster back up RB is.  The 1971 defense was truly great - even immovable.  And Rodgers will score.  But the '95 Huskers are too irresistible. 
95 Nebraska over 71 Nebraska

this game would be worth a helluva lot of my money to watch
might not end up a close or great game, but watching those 2 offenses try to smash those two defenses would be entertaining
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2020, 09:49:40 AM »
Yeah, when you're facing someone like the 71 Huskers D, you find yourself wondering, "What do I do?"  But that's the thing, if an offense just does what it does and does it well, they're not asking themselves that question.  And especially an option offense, that counts on wearing the defense down and having a greater chance of success in the 4th quarter (a la the 95 Orange Bowl) - with that built-in incentive to not deviate from the plan, you can break through.  (Or you could end up getting shut out, a la the 92 Orange Bowl - but at least you danced with who brung ya)
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #90 on: April 01, 2020, 12:01:45 PM »
I'm thinkin the forward pass would be needed to open things up vs the 71 defense

That 52 defense was murder on the run game, any run game
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #91 on: April 03, 2020, 09:25:36 PM »
Switzer's most talented team.  But had too many fumbles in Lincoln.  Some of those fumbles were induced by the Blackshirts.
That was a tough Nebraska team.
good stuff about the 78 game in Lincoln
Tom Shatel thinks it's the greatest game ever played in that stadium


1978 Oklahoma: My second choice was going to be the 1984 Orange Bowl. That’s still my favorite game that I’ve covered. It elevated Tom Osborne and the program. I can’t believe this, but I’m going to pass.

The main reason: I got to the end of my list and realized I didn’t have a home game. The story of NU football needs to show Memorial Stadium, full of red and jumping.

There was never a home game like that 1978 OU game. Or a more physical Nebraska game. The sound that John Ruud made. The hit on Billy Sims and the fumble that saved the day. The oranges flying onto the field. Rick Berns slashing his way to the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Mostly, the emotion of Osborne finally beating OU. Beating Miami later was huge. But getting Barry Switzer off his back was even bigger for Osborne. For one, it might have saved his job.


https://dataomaha.com/huskers/history/game/1978-11-11-oklahoma

best stat - OU attempted 2 passes, completed zero
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #92 on: April 03, 2020, 10:02:10 PM »
I look at those NU and OU option teams and compare them with the ancient Spartans.  They perfected one method of war.  I think everyone realized it, knew they couldn't beat them using the same methods (option/phalanx), and had to do something differently (navies/passing).  
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #93 on: April 03, 2020, 10:09:40 PM »
it wasn't a completely novel method of war at the time

they weren't the only 2 or 5 teams running that offense

as you said, they had perfected it

and a version of it still worked in in 1995, more than 20 years later
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #94 on: April 03, 2020, 10:25:17 PM »
it wasn't a completely novel method of war at the time

they weren't the only 2 or 5 teams running that offense

as you said, they had perfected it

and a version of it still worked in in 1995, more than 20 years later
That's what I mean, everyone was just lining up in a phalanx, even against Sparta, knowing they'd lose.  That's what college football was doing until BYU/Miami in the 80s, onto a lot of G5 programs, FSU, Florida, and Bill Walsh in the 90s.  Everyone was running the option, which is why the helmet programs almost exclusively stayed on top in that decade.  Other programs were trying to do the same thing with inferior talent/coaching - it was idiotic, to be honest.
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Re: 64-Team Tournament (Football)
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2020, 02:56:30 PM »
good stuff about the 78 game in Lincoln
Tom Shatel thinks it's the greatest game ever played in that stadium


1978 Oklahoma: My second choice was going to be the 1984 Orange Bowl. That’s still my favorite game that I’ve covered. It elevated Tom Osborne and the program. I can’t believe this, but I’m going to pass.

The main reason: I got to the end of my list and realized I didn’t have a home game. The story of NU football needs to show Memorial Stadium, full of red and jumping.

There was never a home game like that 1978 OU game. Or a more physical Nebraska game. The sound that John Ruud made. The hit on Billy Sims and the fumble that saved the day. The oranges flying onto the field. Rick Berns slashing his way to the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Mostly, the emotion of Osborne finally beating OU. Beating Miami later was huge. But getting Barry Switzer off his back was even bigger for Osborne. For one, it might have saved his job.


https://dataomaha.com/huskers/history/game/1978-11-11-oklahoma

best stat - OU attempted 2 passes, completed zero
Tom Shatel's opinion is about as authoritative as it gets on that subject.
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