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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #196 on: December 20, 2020, 03:49:47 PM »
I'm not understanding all of these posts about Ohio State getting in.  You're about a month late on that outrage.  The very first CFP rankings told you all you needed to know - OSU had played half as many games as ND and Clemson up to that point.

Why start bitching now?  You already knew this was happening.
Ah, I see why.  I was taking a nap and am watching the ESPN show now.  The talking heads are obsessing about this thing we have known since the first playoff rankings.  Fun.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #197 on: December 20, 2020, 04:09:53 PM »

Proving it ON THE FIELD.  Indeed.  Important choice of words there.

And the other teams being compared against tOSU played almost double the number of games.  You know, ON THE FIELD.

Questioning whether or not tOSU is worthy based on ON THE FIELD results, this year, isn't something crazy.  It's completely valid. 

Acting like it's NOT valid, is born of bias and/or homerism.

All that said, I think it's fine they got in.  They're likely one of the 4 best teams.  But THIS year, they didn't really prove that ON THE FIELD.
Is the committee to take the four most deserving teams or the four best teams?

I realize what is proven on the field matters, but it's just to help decide who the four best teams are. Who's going to second guess the learned folks on the committee if they say they've got enough evidence after 6 games?

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #198 on: December 20, 2020, 04:37:43 PM »
Is the committee to take the four most deserving teams or the four best teams?

I realize what is proven on the field matters, but it's just to help decide who the four best teams are. Who's going to second guess the learned folks on the committee if they say they've got enough evidence after 6 games?
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« Reply #199 on: December 20, 2020, 04:48:34 PM »
Yeah, we've been diametrically opposed this past week you've been posting and now  you're showing that you've got it all backwards.
Blowouts mean you've included teams that didn't belong.  The teams winning the blowouts are the ones that would be included in a small playoff.  That's the point.  You have this all backwards. 
The more you let in, you do so for entertainment purposes.  It's a 3 year-old who gets its hands on the whole gallon of ice cream.  More = better, wheeeeee!
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The more exclusive you make it - to guard against allowing those who don't belong in - the more things are tilted towards competition.  Closer games = competitive games.
You are so close.  If you were right, the playoffs would be tight, exciting affairs, and we would be disturbing something of great entertainment.  Of course, we have gotten some great games, which would be would get under any playoff format.  We have also gotten a lot of duds, which would also happen under any playoff format.  Your entire premise, that we must have fewer games to have fewer blowouts, is not based in reality.  We are getting plenty of blowouts now, and in fact many are predicting blowouts in both semifinals this year.  

Further, you are leaving out the whole premise of sports in the first place. If the best team always won, there would be no reason to watch the games at all.  There would be no entertainment, because we already know what's going to happen.  Our current system is designed to encourage these types of games.  You can pick 6 teams at the beginning of the season and be almost guaranteed get four of them right for the playoffs.  That's a problem!  There are 127 FBS teams.  121 have almost no shot at the beginning of the season to even play for a championship, much less win won.  

Finally, the defense is shameful.  The whole thing always comes down to things like, well, they can't beat Alabama, so they shouldn't be in the playoffs.  We must reserve the playoffs for other teams who also probably won't beat the best team.  No other playoff works this way.  And by having this system, you are encouraging it to work this way.  No player who wants to be in the playoffs should consider a school that isn't Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State.  You get a handful of other schools up there, and that's it.  It would be galactically stupid for a football player to consider other schools, which is why these teams are getting better and better recruits.  That's the system you want, and it kind of sucks, and there are better systems. 

It's like a three year old who can't imagine anything except the ice cream right in front of him right now.  

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #200 on: December 20, 2020, 04:49:21 PM »
Is the committee to take the four most deserving teams or the four best teams?

I realize what is proven on the field matters, but it's just to help decide who the four best teams are. Who's going to second guess the learned folks on the committee if they say they've got enough evidence after 6 games?
They say "best teams for the playoff", which to me is not the same thing as "the four best teams", at all.  They talk about how they weight factors like conference championships heavily, which is fine, but contradictory with "four best teams".

The latter could be stated and nothing else, if it were true.

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« Reply #201 on: December 20, 2020, 04:51:33 PM »
Look at Cincinnati's schedule, seriously.  That is a Conference USA, circa 2005 schedule.  Look it up. 
Someone here is earnestly advocating that it should earn a team a playoff spot?  What in the shit?!?



We want the best teams, not the teams that played the best schedule.

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #202 on: December 20, 2020, 04:57:21 PM »
Giving more teams certain ways to make the playoffs makes more meaningful games. This is good.
Not meaningful to Sunday Bound Kids who've watched the season stretched again for the the benefit of network wonks and not them.You of all people should know this counsel :040:,unless of course you have ABC/ESPN stock.The Play Offs aren't a Participation Trophy
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #203 on: December 20, 2020, 05:02:54 PM »
We want the best teams, not the teams that played the best schedule.
Better start watching Sundays,too many collegiate teams to satisfy everyone
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #204 on: December 20, 2020, 05:07:48 PM »
Better start watching Sundays,too many collegiate teams to satisfy everyone
Better tell that to the playoff committee, who may not realize more than 6 teams exist.

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #205 on: December 20, 2020, 05:10:22 PM »
That have been punching below their weight
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #206 on: December 20, 2020, 05:15:32 PM »
Better start watching Sundays,too many collegiate teams to satisfy everyone
Also, just some maths.

College Football includes 3 percent of the teams in the playoffs.

The NFL includes 44 percent.

I feel as though we could tick up the playoff participants without magically becoming the NFL. (Also, people still enjoy the NFL)

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #207 on: December 20, 2020, 05:21:53 PM »
One of them are guaranteed cash - the other isn't and they shouldn't stretch their necks out until they have a contract inked
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #208 on: December 20, 2020, 05:40:48 PM »
So if they are up 42-3 on Notre Dame, you will find meaning? I have a hard time understanding why some blowouts are good and meaningful and some are bad ads meaningless. In any event, my point is about games that aren't payoff games. Giving more teams certain ways to make the playoffs makes more meaningful games. This is good.
Yeah, expanding the playoff wasn’t the solution this year. The problem this year was finding a team outside of Bama and Clemson that felt right putting in.
And it’s been a talking point in the media from the very beginning.  What I don’t understand is HB’s surprise that it was brought up again today.
Not a surprise that it was brought up. As you say it’s been a discussion point, and should be, four weeks.

What surprises me is that the voices of college football like Reese Davis and Richard Fowler, and coaches at several of the biggest universities are completely hung up and obsessed about it. Even after the decision was made in the playoffs selections were announced and their team made it in, they are still obsessing about it. 
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #209 on: December 20, 2020, 06:38:46 PM »
A - defenses have been behind all year in every conference
B - yes, once Saban started putting 93 octane in his own offense, there's been an admission that offenses can no longer be consistently shut down

Well, the score in the Big 12 CCG was 27-21.  In the SEC, 52-46.
So, will we switch the insult to "SEC-ing"?
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