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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #182 on: December 20, 2020, 03:22:25 PM »
Raise your hand if you're excited about the prospect of a 3rd Clemson vs ND game!  
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For those of you who are head-to-head worshippers - it probably would have helped A&M if their sole loss had to be anyone but the #1 team and helped even more if it was to a team ranked outside of the top 6.  Sort of defies logic, doesn't it?  
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #183 on: December 20, 2020, 03:24:29 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 20, 2020, 03:21:40 PM
Yeah, expanding the playoff wasn’t the solution this year. The problem this year was finding a team outside of Bama and Clemson that felt right putting in.
The problem is that you could have guessed these playoff teams at the beginning of the season. 
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #184 on: December 20, 2020, 03:26:12 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2020, 03:16:36 PM
Bama being up 42-3 at halftime vs Coastal Carolina won't feel very meaningful, sorry. 
But also would hurt nothing. Hell, they do that to historical powers now. 
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #185 on: December 20, 2020, 03:27:03 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 20, 2020, 03:21:35 PM
So if they are up 42-3 on Notre Dame, you will find meaning? I have a hard time understanding why some blowouts are good and meaningful and some are bad ads meaningless. In any event, my point is about games that aren't payoff games. Giving more teams certain ways to make the playoffs makes more meaningful games. This is good.
I get the logic of that argument, I really do. I can only say for me CFB’s race for 2 or 4 teams has always been more intriguing than other sports’ playoff races.

Seeing which 8-7 team is going to get the final Wild Card has never been must see TV for me.  Neither has which 38 win team will get the 8th seed in the Eastern Conference.  The race for the 16th spot in the playoffs wouldn’t have the same level of interest, imo.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #186 on: December 20, 2020, 03:27:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2020, 03:22:25 PM
Raise your hand if you're excited about the prospect of a 3rd Clemson vs ND game! 
Why would I be excited for the prospect of a game that won't happen?
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #187 on: December 20, 2020, 03:28:30 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 20, 2020, 03:21:35 PM
So if they are up 42-3 on Notre Dame, you will find meaning? I have a hard time understanding why some blowouts are good and meaningful and some are bad ads meaningless. In any event, my point is about games that aren't payoff games. Giving more teams certain ways to make the playoffs makes more meaningful games. This is good.
If Alabama is up 42-3 vs ND, it'd be late in the 4th quarter.  
Are you wanting to see backups playing in the 3rd quarter of playoff games?  If you go to 8 or 16 teams, that's going to happen more than occasionally.  
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When we're discussing who should play high-stakes football and enjoy the game for entertainment purposes, yes, let's be inclusive.  The more the merrier. 
When you're trying to identify the national champion, you need to be exclusive.  I just happen to be on the competition end of the spectrum when it comes to finding a champion.  
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #188 on: December 20, 2020, 03:29:37 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
....and right on cue ole Fro boy shows up in order to give the board a nice, rusty trombone. :great:
What'd I do now?!?  :88:
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #189 on: December 20, 2020, 03:30:55 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2020, 03:22:25 PM

For those of you who are head-to-head worshippers - it probably would have helped A&M if their sole loss had to be anyone but the #1 team and helped even more if it was to a team ranked outside of the top 6.  Sort of defies logic, doesn't it? 
I mean, it would defy logic, but A&M's whole situation would be different. Because that loss did keep them out of the title game just because they got beat by someone better.

If they lost to a team outside the top six, it wouldn't be a 1-loss team that shut them out of Atlanta. 

(They also didn't play many high level teams and spent too much time not blowing out low-level teams. Their whole argument is 1. Beat really good 8-3 UF 2. 8-3 in the SEC, NO DON'T LOOK AT THE RESULTS GAME BY GAME)
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #190 on: December 20, 2020, 03:31:58 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 20, 2020, 03:27:03 PM
I get the logic of that argument, I really do. I can only say for me CFB’s race for 2 or 4 teams has always been more intriguing than other sports’ playoff races.

Seeing which 8-7 team is going to get the final Wild Card has never been must see TV for me.  Neither has which 38 win team will get the 8th seed in the Eastern Conference.  The race for the 16th spot in the playoffs wouldn’t have the same level of interest, imo.
I agree with that in professional sports. But college basketball has a system designed to give smaller teams a chance, and it's playoff system is the most popular in American sports. College football doesn't need to completely copy it - the regular season should be important. But there is a happy medium that makes more teams and leagues part of the process.

Cincinnati is actually ahead of ND on SP+. They never had any shot of being in the playoffs. 
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #191 on: December 20, 2020, 03:32:05 PM »
Not to mention the more teams there are in the playoff, the less urgent each regular season game becomes.  We've already seen this - this weekend, Alabama was in even if it lost.  ND, we found out, was in, even in a blowout loss.  

That's crap.  The very worst regular season of American sports is college basketball.  A loss is a shrug.  A loss is nothing.  You can't name a huge, important regular season college basketball game from the past decade.  
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The more you expand the playoff, the closer you inch to that.  
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #192 on: December 20, 2020, 03:34:04 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2020, 03:28:30 PM
If Alabama is up 42-3 vs ND, it'd be late in the 4th quarter. 
Are you wanting to see backups playing in the 3rd quarter of playoff games?  If you go to 8 or 16 teams, that's going to happen more than occasionally. 
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When we're discussing who should play high-stakes football and enjoy the game for entertainment purposes, yes, let's be inclusive.  The more the merrier. 
When you're trying to identify the national champion, you need to be exclusive.  I just happen to be on the competition end of the spectrum when it comes to finding a champion. 
This makes no sense. If we get more blowouts, then we are by definition identifying better teams. Your criteria is explicitly about entertainment instead of finding the best team. 
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #193 on: December 20, 2020, 03:35:53 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 20, 2020, 03:31:58 PM

Cincinnati is actually ahead of ND on SP+. They never had any shot of being in the playoffs.
What did Cincinnati do to earn a shot of being in the playoff?  Avoided a loss?  
Austin Peay
Army
USF
SMU
Memphis
Houston
ECU
UCF
Tulsa
That schedule doesn't earn jack shit.  Georgia wouldn't have lost vs that schedule, OU wouldn't, my lowly 8-3 Gators wouldn't.  Hell, UNC, Iowa, Texas, and Oklahoma State wouldn't have lost vs that schedule.  And each and every one of them would have been left out of the playoff - laughed off the national stage at the weakness of the scheudle.  
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #194 on: December 20, 2020, 03:38:35 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 20, 2020, 03:34:04 PM
This makes no sense. If we get more blowouts, then we are by definition identifying better teams. Your criteria is explicitly about entertainment instead of finding the best team.
Yeah, we've been diametrically opposed this past week you've been posting and now  you're showing that you've got it all backwards.
Blowouts mean you've included teams that didn't belong.  The teams winning the blowouts are the ones that would be included in a small playoff.  That's the point.  You have this all backwards. 
The more you let in, you do so for entertainment purposes.  It's a 3 year-old who gets its hands on the whole gallon of ice cream.  More = better, wheeeeee!
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The more exclusive you make it - to guard against allowing those who don't belong in - the more things are tilted towards competition.  Closer games = competitive games.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #195 on: December 20, 2020, 03:45:58 PM »
Look at Cincinnati's schedule, seriously.  That is a Conference USA, circa 2005 schedule.  Look it up.  
Someone here is earnestly advocating that it should earn a team a playoff spot?  What in the shit?!?


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