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Kris60

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #238 on: December 21, 2020, 07:38:26 AM »
About the only thing players aren't opting out of is playoff games and games that could affect the playoffs
I’m not following. What does that have to do with what I posted?

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #239 on: December 21, 2020, 07:56:05 AM »
I’m not following. What does that have to do with what I posted?
😂 nothing, because I was trying to respond to Nubbz and somehow must have clicked on your post

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #240 on: December 21, 2020, 08:30:53 AM »
About the only thing players aren't opting out of is playoff games and games that could affect the playoffs
Wait'll they start dragging it out,nothing to gain really.Hell Bradley Roby sat out 7 yrs ago vs Clemson.Ask Jaylyn Smith or Jake Butt(to name just a few) if they'd take that chance again.Here we go again - NFL needs to start a minor league,specially if they can pay a shill like Goodell 50 million a year
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #241 on: December 21, 2020, 10:14:04 AM »
What was it about back in the summer?



apparently, university academic administrators were asked for their input.

probably jealous of all the $$$ that the Athletic department wastes each year

the really smart folks were trying to save mouth breathing knuckledraggin football players lives
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #242 on: December 21, 2020, 10:25:24 AM »
Proving it ON THE FIELD.  Indeed.  Important choice of words there.

And the other teams being compared against tOSU played almost double the number of games.  You know, ON THE FIELD.

Questioning whether or not tOSU is worthy based on ON THE FIELD results, this year, isn't something crazy.  It's completely valid. 

Acting like it's NOT valid, is born of bias and/or homerism.

All that said, I think it's fine they got in.  They're likely one of the 4 best teams.  But THIS year, they didn't really prove that ON THE FIELD.
I don't think it is ridiculous to question it but it is ridiculous to say, in on uncertain terms, that they didn't prove it.  If you look at the six games that Ohio State played, they looked like a CFP Caliber team in about 10 of 12 halves of football (give or take).  Nobody (not even Bama/Clemson) looked CFP caliber in every game let alone every half so 10/12 is REALLY good.  It is a legitimate point to say "hey, if they had played 10 or 12 games they would have had a greater chance of getting upset to which I would answer with two things:
  • While that is true, would it have mattered?  Suppose tOSU had played their full (pandemic) schedule of nine games and the CG and gone 9-1 with a loss to either UMD, IL, or M.  Ok, they are 9-1 and P5 Champion.  #5 aTm is 8-1 and a non-champion with a blowout loss.  Would that really beat out a 9-1 Champion?  Each would have a bad loss (aTm's due to score, tOSU's due to opponent) but tOSU would have more wins and a league title.  
  • The price that Ohio State paid for only playing six games was that they had no margin for error.  If Ohio State had shown up rusty and unready for their opener against Nebraska and lost a close one, they'd have finished 5-1 and the final spot would have been between 5-1 tOSU, 8-1 aTm, 8-2 OU, and 8-3 UF.  In a normal year as a one-loss P5 Champion tOSU would have been 12-1 and obviously in but in this year, I don't think 5-1 gets them over aTm/OU. 


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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #243 on: December 21, 2020, 10:28:12 AM »
You got it. We'll be better.

Everyone is just so, so mean to OSU. As mean as Alabama and Clemson fans feel the media is to them.
Eh, give @Honestbuckeye a little credit.  Not long before this exchange I was getting after him for being overly negative on tOSU so he felt like he was getting it from both sides.  

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #244 on: December 21, 2020, 10:31:51 AM »
I don't think it is ridiculous to question it but it is ridiculous to say, in on uncertain terms, that they didn't prove it.  If you look at the six games that Ohio State played, they looked like a CFP Caliber team in about 10 of 12 halves of football (give or take).  Nobody (not even Bama/Clemson) looked CFP caliber in every game let alone every half so 10/12 is REALLY good.  It is a legitimate point to say "hey, if they had played 10 or 12 games they would have had a greater chance of getting upset to which I would answer with two things:
  • While that is true, would it have mattered?  Suppose tOSU had played their full (pandemic) schedule of nine games and the CG and gone 9-1 with a loss to either UMD, IL, or M.  Ok, they are 9-1 and P5 Champion.  #5 aTm is 8-1 and a non-champion with a blowout loss.  Would that really beat out a 9-1 Champion?  Each would have a bad loss (aTm's due to score, tOSU's due to opponent) but tOSU would have more wins and a league title. 
  • The price that Ohio State paid for only playing six games was that they had no margin for error.  If Ohio State had shown up rusty and unready for their opener against Nebraska and lost a close one, they'd have finished 5-1 and the final spot would have been between 5-1 tOSU, 8-1 aTm, 8-2 OU, and 8-3 UF.  In a normal year as a one-loss P5 Champion tOSU would have been 12-1 and obviously in but in this year, I don't think 5-1 gets them over aTm/OU.



Playing more games absolutely would have resulted in a greater chance at a loss.  It's statistical fact.  

You're not one of those science-deniers, are you? :)

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #245 on: December 21, 2020, 10:38:18 AM »
While technically true, they've gone three times, gone 1-and-out twice. Not a ton of accomplishing outside two programs.

Anyway, it's a year where there aren't a ton of high end options. OSU is a little weak on the resume, in part because a mess of good Big Ten teams were less good than normal. But they kicked the hell out of most teams, they're crazy talented and most of the other options are not inspiring.
On your first paragraph:
There certainly isn't much "accomplishing" outside of Bama/Clemson.  They have four CFP semi-final wins each.  The entire rest of the universe has four total (one each for tOSU, LSU, UGA, and Oregon).  

With that said, the gap after Bama/Clemson is large but tOSU is the CLEAR #3.  Oklahoma equals tOSU in appearances but they are 0-4 in CFP games while tOSU is 2-2.  LSU equals tOSU in CFP Championships but LSU's one Championship is also their ONLY CFP appearance while tOSU has three others and tOSU was close every time they missed.  

On your second paragraph:
I think the weakness after Bama/Clemson (whether perceived or actual) is a big factor here.  Ohio State's six games would obviously have done them in if the B12 and P12 had produced 12-0 Champions but that was never possible and even if the B12 and P12 had managed to produce undefeated champions who knows.  As it is, your next highest ranked teams were:
  • A 10-1 non-Champion ND that got curb-stomped in their last game by Clemson.  
  • An 8-1 non-Champion aTm that got curb-stomped by Bama.  
  • An 8-2 B12 Champion OU with a loss to a sub .500 team.  
  • An 8-3 Florida with a loss to a sub .500 team.  

It is one thing to say "6-0 isn't enough", it is another to explain which two of those teams should be in ahead of them.  None of them presented a very compelling case.  


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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #246 on: December 21, 2020, 10:38:57 AM »
Playing more games absolutely would have resulted in a greater chance at a loss.  It's statistical fact. 

You're not one of those science-deniers, are you? :)
I'm not denying that it would have increased the chance of a loss, I'm questioning whether or not it would have mattered.  

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #247 on: December 21, 2020, 10:44:01 AM »

  • While that is true, would it have mattered?  Suppose tOSU had played their full (pandemic) schedule of nine games and the CG and gone 9-1 with a loss to either UMD, IL, or M.  Ok, they are 9-1 and P5 Champion.  #5 aTm is 8-1 and a non-champion with a blowout loss.  Would that really beat out a 9-1 Champion?  Each would have a bad loss (aTm's due to score, tOSU's due to opponent) but tOSU would have more wins and a league title. 

the 3 games the Bucks missed:::

@ Maryland
@ Illinois
Michigan in the Shoe
from what we know about this 3 teams, there wasn't much chance of losing a game - or improving the Buck's resume
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #248 on: December 21, 2020, 10:46:42 AM »
the 3 games the Bucks missed:::

@ Maryland
@ Illinois
Michigan in the Shoe
from what we know about this 3 teams, there wasn't much chance of losing a game - or improving the Buck's resume
I think you're right.
But a Buckeye might have gotten injured.
IMO, tOSU is the right choice for #3, but playing only 6 games, compared to 10, has left the team relatively fresh and uninjured compared to others.
OTOH, as HB has said, it may have left the team rusty too.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #249 on: December 21, 2020, 10:49:28 AM »
I get the logic of that argument, I really do. I can only say for me CFB’s race for 2 or 4 teams has always been more intriguing than other sports’ playoff races.

Seeing which 8-7 team is going to get the final Wild Card has never been must see TV for me.  Neither has which 38 win team will get the 8th seed in the Eastern Conference.  The race for the 16th spot in the playoffs wouldn’t have the same level of interest, imo.
I agree with this 100%.  Consider CBB:
If yours (WVU, right?) or my (tOSU) team is on the bubble we'll want our team to get in, but it is just "to get in" we don't have any illusions that our team has a plausible shot at an NC.  We know better, they don't.  If they are on the bubble they are probably good enough that it wouldn't be shocking if they won say a 6/11 upset and maybe even took out say a #3 seed to make it to the S16 but we know darn good and well that they have no realistic chance of winning four games the last two weekends of the tournament because they just aren't good enough and we know it.  

With the last couple spots in the CFP it is totally different.  Ohio State *COULD* win it this year.  They did win it as the last team in in 2014 and I think their best team of the CFP era was 2015 when they finished #7.  The race for the last few CFP spots is more intense because usually the "bubble" teams for the CFP are good enough to potentially win it.  

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #250 on: December 21, 2020, 10:53:03 AM »
For those of you who are head-to-head worshippers - it probably would have helped A&M if their sole loss had to be anyone but the #1 team and helped even more if it was to a team ranked outside of the top 6.  Sort of defies logic, doesn't it? 
That is one of the weird things about the CFP and it started back in 2014.  Ohio State and Baylor each lost by two TD's to a mediocre team and both wound up ranked ahead of TCU.  The Horned Frogs lost by a FG on the road to Baylor.  TCU would have been much better off to lose to Kansas (a horrible team that they only beat by 4).  It has been true ever since.  If aTm's game with Bama had been canceled due to COVID but they had played a mediocre SEC-E team and lost they would be a LOT better off.  

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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #251 on: December 21, 2020, 10:58:57 AM »
That is one of the weird things about the CFP and it started back in 2014.  Ohio State and Baylor each lost by two TD's to a mediocre team and both wound up ranked ahead of TCU.  The Horned Frogs lost by a FG on the road to Baylor.  TCU would have been much better off to lose to Kansas (a horrible team that they only beat by 4).  It has been true ever since.  If aTm's game with Bama had been canceled due to COVID but they had played a mediocre SEC-E team and lost they would be a LOT better off. 

Head to head takes some of the guess work out of it, though.  So much of this comes down to comparing resumes and looking at teams that haven’t played each other and making assumptions.  A head to head matchup gives you a real, tangible result between two teams you are trying to compare.

 

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