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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2020, 06:26:07 PM »

They held 72 practices to play 5 games ( prior to NW game).  Nothing could be more frustrating
That's GOT to be some sort of rules violation, lol.
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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2020, 06:27:50 PM »
If you like big football playoffs, go watch the NFL. 
I am torn but evolving ( ha ha) on this.
Anything to NOT be like the NFL has been my opinion.

But as Sam said so well- this is not working. It is creating a monopoly for one thing, and no playoff should EVER be this subjective.

I would like to see the 5 conf champs, The top Group of 5 Team and 2 wild cards based on formula or poll.  Reduce the regular season to accommodate the playoff season, and mandate that all leagues play the same number of conference games. 

this would level the recruiting to a high degree and crest way more excitement.  $$ would follow.
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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2020, 06:34:11 PM »
Go back to bowls, polls, and arguments about who was really the best team.
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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2020, 06:57:03 PM »
What are the effective odds that an 8th seeded  team beats the 1 seeded team?  Presume the seeding is close to being accurate.


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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2020, 06:58:18 PM »
One interesting way of ranking teams if the Vegas way, you set hypothetical matchups and take the initial line from LV "pros from Dover".  Let's say A&M would be a 5 point favorite over ND, ND is out.  And that probably is about right.

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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2020, 07:34:12 PM »
What are the effective odds that an 8th seeded  team beats the 1 seeded team?  Presume the seeding is close to being accurate.


This is a great question, because if the answer is near either extreme, it's an argument against playing the game at all.
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If 8 seeds beat 1 seeds more than you'd predict, then an 8-team playoff will yield 2-3 loss champions.  That's a negative in my book.
If 8 seeds almost never beat 1 seeds, then there's no real point in playing that game.  So then don't play it.  Don't expand.
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2020, 07:34:44 PM »
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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2020, 07:35:19 PM »
I am torn but evolving ( ha ha) on this.
Anything to NOT be like the NFL has been my opinion.

But as Sam said so well- this is not working. It is creating a monopoly for one thing, and no playoff should EVER be this subjective.

I would like to see the 5 conf champs, The top Group of 5 Team and 2 wild cards based on formula or poll.  Reduce the regular season to accommodate the playoff season, and mandate that all leagues play the same number of conference games. 

this would level the recruiting to a high degree and crest way more excitement.  $$ would follow.

I also would like to see the 5 conference champs in the playoffs; with the caveat that champ needs to be ranked in the top 12 to be eligible. 

I don't want the playoffs to race to 8 just because opinion theories make it it seem better than 4. Let's try 6 teams for 6~ish years and see how that does.  I think a 6 team playoff can work, and cover all the bases that 8 does without having to include two more possibly non-elite teams.

I also don't think we need the conferences to be mirror images of each other in the amount of games played, but have an external qualifier that says each P5 team needs to play 10 P5 opponents. Whether it's in their conference or out. SEC has a point that a lot of their teams plays an P5 OOC opponent so they don't need to play another conference game. It's when OSU (or B1G, or Pac, or B12) play a high profile opponent and that extra conference game that the resumes start to look different. So, if we have an everyone in P5 needs a minimum amount of P5 opponents that covers the making the schedule similar enough to me.

If we just adjust our focus a bit; now including the Conference Championship Game, it actually makes the playoffs a 10 - 13* team affair. The 1st round of the playoffs is just for the conference title too. I really don't need to see the 2nd place team in a conference, or the tallest midget to make the playoffs complete. But leaving out one of the P5 champs because of "beauty pageant" reasons doesn't sit right with me. 

*we have a minimum of 10 teams that are playing for the P5 conference titles. But a G5 team may be included in that 6th spot, so their championship game is included, or that 6th spot may be to a non-conference winner, and they get a bye the 1st round. That said, I'm also a big fan of updating Championship Saturday to Seeding Saturday, it would give that extra data point for a 2nd place conference teams resume. 

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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2020, 07:42:08 PM »
I also would like to see the 5 conference champs in the playoffs; with the caveat that champ needs to be ranked in the top 12 to be eligible.

Why 12?

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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2020, 07:44:46 PM »
We just need OSU and ND to dispatch of the hillbillies
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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2020, 07:49:56 PM »
Why 12?


Plus, in your plan, a bunch of teams who finished 2nd in their division will get in ahead of division winners who lost their CCG. 

Cause I'm including the conference championship game as the 1st round of the playoffs, so we want teams ranked in the top 12.

Maybe I didn't explain my plan well: I want the 5 conference champs in, 6 teams in total. So no I'm not advocating 2nd place teams to get in.

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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2020, 08:17:31 PM »
Now that the playoffs are set what do you think of the match-ups, who is going to win?

As I see it Notre Dame is, by far, the weak link.



guessing ND gets a beating (hope so)

I see 3 good games, Ohio St vs Clemson and that winner vs Bama
of course, rooting for some upsets and craziness
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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2020, 09:10:26 PM »
Old-timey 2020 postseason:
Sugar Bowl:  1 Alabama vs 2 Clemson
Rose Bowl:  3 Ohio State vs 25 Oregon
Orange Bowl:  6 Oklahoma vs 7 Florida
Cotton Bowl:  5 Texas A&M vs 4 Notre Dame
Fiesta Bowl:  umm....10 Iowa State vs 8 Cincinnati??
I realize the Fiesta and Cotton weren't really both big-boy bowls simultaneously for very long, if at all
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Not a sexy RB, btw.
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Citrus:  9 Georgia vs 11 Indiana
Holiday:  16 BYU vs 17 USC
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Re: CFP Thread
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2020, 09:11:39 PM »
Cause I'm including the conference championship game as the 1st round of the playoffs, so we want teams ranked in the top 12.

Maybe I didn't explain my plan well: I want the 5 conference champs in, 6 teams in total. So no I'm not advocating 2nd place teams to get in.
No, you explained it well.  I re-read it and edited my post.  
Thank you.
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