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MrNubbz

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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #266 on: December 20, 2021, 04:53:00 PM »
You keep suggesting that he's like '86 Lawrence Taylor hopped up on coke and plays freelance.


On what planet is a defensive player going freelance on a Nick Saban-coached team!?!?!  Wake up.
Line backers move around a hell of a lot more so free lance was a bad choice of words,their simply not taking on lineman play after play after play.Have you missed reading that the last 3 pages or just had to take a shot.
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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #267 on: December 20, 2021, 04:53:06 PM »

I didn't ever say he wasn't a good or greatplayer - so put that thing out you'll burn your fingers?Walk yourself back a few pages and read what the original discussion was - one player is a DE one is an LB. Therefore it's an apples/oranges when comparing stats,ability or usefulness .Because I haven't watched much BAMA shouldn't preclude you - who does from fetching a few stats and answering a question that twisted you off .They don't play the same freakin' position and you don't seem to get that.Don't show his highlights - show the number of times statistically he lined up as True DE if there is to be remtely a fair comparison.Perhaps you haven't noticed in most cases 5 down o-lineman aren't going to cover 4 down lineman and 3 lbs - there are mismatches galore. I even said 2-3 pages back if you are not to broke to pay attention that I'd draft one or the other based on need.

i haven't mentioned anything about you saying he was bad, because you didn't. i corrected you when you insinuated he was roaming free behind the line because he was a lb. we were discussing how people were incorrect in thinking he is a lb in the typical sense of the word. for all practical purposes, he is a de, only a lb by label.

therefor, since he is lined up almost exclusively the same as a de, the stats are comparable.

and THERE IS NOT A STAT THAT SHOWS WHERE HE LINES UP. there is only video evidence and hearsay evidence from people who actually watched, which you freely admit you didn't. i have provided as much evidence as is possible. virtually all of which corroborates what i've said.

i'll say it again, will anderson is 1 of the 4 down lineman on defense. he is on the end of the defensive line. he lines up vs either the offensive tackle or the te, depending on the offensive alignment. he is NOT lined up off the line of scrimmage. he is NOT line up outside the box. for all intents and purposes, he is a defensive end. but his position title is "jack" so he must be a lb, right?

do hutchinson and anderson pay the same position? no and i never said as much. hutchinson in bama's d would be the de opposite of anderson. i won't presume to know where anderson would line up in mich d since i know little about it. are both of their responsibilities to rush the passer and stop the run? yes. do both line up on the end of the defensive line, facing offensive lineman? also yes.

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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #268 on: December 20, 2021, 04:54:13 PM »
I think if I was a personnel person, I'd value intelligence too much.

My guys would be in the right place at the right time doing the right thing.....and get run over or something.
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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #269 on: December 20, 2021, 04:55:03 PM »
Line backers move around a hell of a lot more so free lance was a bad choice of words,their simply not taking on lineman play after play after play.Have you missed reading that the last 3 pages or just had to take a shot.
You've missed a guy who watched every Alabama play say that your suggestion isn't the case for 3 pages.
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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #270 on: December 20, 2021, 04:56:34 PM »
Line backers move around a hell of a lot more so free lance was a bad choice of words,their simply not taking on lineman play after play after play.Have you missed reading that the last 3 pages or just had to take a shot.
the whole point of this convo is that he doesn't move around like a linebacker because he doesn't line up in a traditional lb spot. he lines up in a traditional de spot. taking on lineman play after play. you need to stop looking at those 2 letters beside his name and watch him play.

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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #271 on: December 20, 2021, 04:59:17 PM »
Heck, for most teams who get the #1 overall pick, and pick QB, it's terrible process. If you're the 32nd-best team in the NFL, your problems are WAY bigger than the QB spot. You probably don't have an OL that can block for that QB, and can't open holes in the running game to take pressure off that QB. You probably have a terrible defense that will put that QB into "drop back and chuck it" mode early in every game because you're constantly playing catch-up. So you'll put that QB behind a bad OL in obvious passing downs all year, and then suddenly nobody understands why the QB is shellshocked and not developing. Uhh, it's freakin' obvious why.

Exactly Baltimore proved this in 2000 with Dilfer under center had solid lines and built out.Conversely they proved just having a QB after winning their SB in '13 was a fools errand as they ponied up for Flacco but lost everyone else
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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #272 on: December 20, 2021, 05:20:51 PM »
the whole point of this convo is that he doesn't move around like a linebacker because he doesn't line up in a traditional lb spot. he lines up in a traditional de spot. taking on lineman play after play. you need to stop looking at those 2 letters beside his name and watch him play.
He plays close to the line as an LB,just looked it up 4 guys listed in depth charts as DE's none of them W.A..Now you want to go digging for more actual plays from scrimmage by position  be my guest.So F****** difficult

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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #273 on: December 20, 2021, 05:24:41 PM »
You've missed a guy who watched every Alabama play say that your suggestion isn't the case for 3 pages.
There's a difference between watching and paying attention and WTF does this graffiti mean?Would you care to provide the statistics play by play for the DE position this season or follow your usual bark at the moon satire
« Last Edit: December 20, 2021, 05:57:28 PM by MrNubbz »
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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #274 on: December 20, 2021, 05:46:47 PM »

He plays close to the line as an LB,just looked it up 4 guys listed in depth charts as DE's none of them W.A..Now you want to go digging for more actual plays from scrimmage by position  be my guest.So F****** difficult


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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #275 on: December 20, 2021, 05:56:12 PM »
You also maybe the elves will stuff your stocking with a updated 2021 TIDE Statisticians Manual
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Re: 2021 Awards Season
« Reply #276 on: December 20, 2021, 07:24:05 PM »
He plays close to the line as an LB,just looked it up 4 guys listed in depth charts as DE's none of them W.A..Now you want to go digging for more actual plays from scrimmage by position  be my guest.So F****** difficult


Well friend, you have a person who would do just that. I pulled up Bama's most recent game, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gyQ0r09fig&t=5s

On the first play, Will Anderson is lined up at DE, across from the tackle. 
On the second play, he's playing the weak side end spot, lined up across from the tackle in a 5-2 look.
On the third play, a coverage drop
On the fourth, they're in an exotic look, but there is is at the tackle's outside shoulder (his taking on the tackle opens things up for a rushing LB)
Play No. 5 At DE
And Play No. 6
And play 7
And 8
And 9
And 10
11 is him over the tackle in the 5-2
12, WE HAVE HIM OFF THE LOS, a whole linebacker snap
(One play off)
Back outside the tackle at DE on the YY side for 13
Play 14 starts a new drive, back at DE
DE in the 5-2 for Play 15, hand down, over the tackle
Tradtional DE for 16
(I think he's a standup end, but the angle isn't good to ID, so we'll put aside)
DE once more
Stand up end lined up across the OT
Outside standup end taking on the tackle 
(Another hard to ID if he's on the field)
Back at 5-2 edge, back setting the edge vs a probable NFL OT

So taking more than a quarter of his team's biggest game of the season, of plays where I could ID him, he lined up at linebacker once, as the wide edge in the 5-2 three times, in a more traditional 4-man front end spot 16 or so times. Just about all of them had him starting out over a tackle, and tackles were most often the primary guys blocking him. 

Fin.

 

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