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Topic: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2

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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2018, 02:44:39 PM »
agreed, but he would also have more wins and that obviously helps in the voting
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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2018, 02:45:30 PM »
agreed, but he would also have more wins and that obviously helps in the voting
These things usually go by stats.

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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2018, 02:47:03 PM »
unless you're Nubbz
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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2018, 03:10:10 PM »
Bough would do MUCH better if he had Michigan's defense to get him the ball with Field position

I think that cuts both ways.  Also means Patterson had shorter fields, and I assume was out of the game earlier more often.
Well, you can cut that out of the equation by avoiding yards/game in the stats. Whether it's shorter fields or whether it's scheme, Blough had WAY more attempts, completions, and yards than Patterson. 
That's why I didn't rely on total yards. I was pointing out that Blough had a rating just barely behind Patterson, and completion percentage and yards/att higher than Patterson. It's essentially like in basketball, using pace-adjusted stats rather than raw.
Blough was second in the league in completion percentage, second in yards/att, and a very close third in rating. Blough did have a slightly worse interception rate (1 int per 53.1 attempts vs Patterson's 57.8 attempts). He also a slightly lower TD/attempt rate, but then again that might be due to the point you make above where Purdue had longer fields. 
For me, I voted Blough partly because I'm a homer, but also partly because I think he was critical to the team's success. The offense didn't start truly clicking until he took the starting job away from Sindelar. Given that he was not surrounded by a lot of talent, I'm not sure Purdue wins 6 games without Blough. I don't think Patterson was as important to his team.

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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2018, 03:11:12 PM »
agreed, but he would also have more wins and that obviously helps in the voting

These things usually go by stats.

unless you're Nubbz
Or the Heisman committee...
While it's sometimes nice to just give awards to the best player on the best team, I think we're not that lazy. 

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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2018, 03:15:13 PM »
For me, I voted Blough partly because I'm a homer, but also partly because I think he was critical to the team's success. The offense didn't start truly clicking until he took the starting job away from Sindelar. Given that he was not surrounded by a lot of talent, I'm not sure Purdue wins 6 games without Blough. I don't think Patterson was as important to his team.
I don't know, as frustrating as the playcalling was at time, Michigan's offense was MUCH better this year than last, and really the only difference was adding Patterson.  It's splitting hairs, and honestly I don't get voting for any of the other three, but I'd say Patterson is 2-a and Blough is 2-b.

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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2018, 03:15:51 PM »
we're not that lazy

Nubbz wasn't lazy either

it's a tough call, between Paterson and Blough
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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2018, 03:16:41 PM »
I don't know, as frustrating as the playcalling was at time, Michigan's offense was MUCH better this year than last, and really the only difference was adding Patterson.  It's splitting hairs, and honestly I don't get voting for any of the other three, but I'd say Patterson is 2-a and Blough is 2-b.
yup, either is the correct choice
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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2018, 03:46:29 PM »
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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2018, 03:51:09 PM »
I don't know, as frustrating as the playcalling was at time, Michigan's offense was MUCH better this year than last, and really the only difference was adding Patterson.  It's splitting hairs, and honestly I don't get voting for any of the other three, but I'd say Patterson is 2-a and Blough is 2-b.
Honestly, really the only difference. Well Ed Warriner as well. He definitely improved that crap OL and made them an above average unit.
Last year the play calling was just as terrible but the offense was 10x worse because the OL was a sieve and the QB play was god awful.

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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2018, 04:06:49 PM »
I get that, but also, how many times did we say Michigan could be pretty good if they just had competent QB play.  Well, they had competent QB play, and they were pretty good.  Is Shea outstanding or just competent?

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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2018, 06:51:18 PM »
Voted Purdue. Might just be expectations. I thought Patterson could be better. Didn’t think Brought could be that good. They were kinda even, so maybe that split it for me. 

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Re: CFB51 All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #2
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2018, 07:01:12 PM »
Voted Purdue. Might just be expectations. I thought Patterson could be better. Didn’t think Brought could be that good. They were kinda even, so maybe that split it for me.
I've always been big on Blough, was vocally mystified by his nonsensical QB rotation last year that IMO really held them back.

 

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