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Topic: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion

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TyphonInc

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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #182 on: January 09, 2018, 10:25:37 PM »
I'm not sure the drop was so much disrespect for Wisconsin, as it was trying to make a statement about UCF.

My head scratcher is the 4 loss Auburn team staying in the top 10.
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« Reply #183 on: January 09, 2018, 10:48:03 PM »
All I can think of is before the Peach Bowl, Auburn had beaten 2 of the playoff teams.  After the Peach Bowl loss, they had beaten both of the national championship teams....
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« Reply #184 on: January 09, 2018, 11:08:00 PM »
lost to a national championship team?
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« Reply #185 on: January 09, 2018, 11:12:29 PM »
Don't ask me to defend voters, I'm as critical of them as anyone.
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« Reply #186 on: January 09, 2018, 11:16:59 PM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on January 09, 2018, 10:25:37 PM
I'm not sure the drop was so much disrespect for Wisconsin, as it was trying to make a statement about UCF.
This one. 
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« Reply #187 on: January 09, 2018, 11:22:11 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 09, 2018, 11:12:29 PM
Don't ask me to defend voters, I'm as critical of them as anyone.
I can defend them on a week to week basis. 
They are asked to work a 10-12 hour day, often til 10:30 at night or well past midnight, focus on one game for the most part, then turn around get a good rundown of the entire sport and pop out rankings with a sense of internal logic that'll be hard even with considerable time and study (I think they're due at some point in the middle of Saturday night, but it might be Sunday morning early). 

Long story short, it's a frivolity and a silly exercise. But it gets someone as smart as Badge ruffled up and generates the free-est form of attention and traffic because people can't help but eat it up. 
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« Reply #188 on: January 09, 2018, 11:28:15 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 09, 2018, 08:30:22 PM
I'd put PSU over UCF at a minimum. I think they'd tear them a new one. Probably TCU, Washington, USC, MSU, Notre Dame and Miami too.
Is that the standard? Who we think would win on a neutral field? That seems like a poor use of a season's worth of data. 
I wonder if most would prefer we just not rank G5 teams at all. It makes folks so angsty. I know UCF had only one chance to prove itself. But if the answer is that going undefeated means you're still considered JV, why not do away with the charade and treat them like another level of FCS? (I'm aware there's a faustian bargain there. The G5 spot allows the chance to prove mettle against bigger teams, which happens with regularity, and access to certain bowl monies. Too bad because I'd watch a G5 playoff, granted I watch a lot of bowls)
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« Reply #189 on: January 10, 2018, 12:55:02 AM »
I don't people are that into the AP poll anymore.  

Miami finished in a total flop this season, reminded me of Nebraska's '90 season (mediocre QB) that tiptoed their way to 9-0 and a #3 ranking before gagging a 12 pt 4th quarter lead at home to CU, and then getting blasted in the season ending game at unranked OU, then GT hammered N and won their share (w CU) in the Citrus.   

UW was boxed out by playoff teams, tOSU, a feel good story in UCF, and a coin flip w PSU.   Sam McKewon my favorite writer in college football (a college friend) for the OWH, put out his ballot and defended it (he had UCF as one of the 4 1st place votes), but also put Clemson at #8, behind UW.  He explained himself, I may not buy it, but it was reasoned. He's a big UW proponent, generally.
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« Reply #190 on: January 10, 2018, 07:03:06 AM »
Sounds like your college pal did the new head coach of his alma mater a solid on that vote.
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #191 on: January 10, 2018, 10:48:16 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 10, 2018, 07:03:06 AM
Sounds like your college pal did the new head coach of his alma mater a solid on that vote.
I don't doubt that had some role.  He's a bit of a populist as it is.
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« Reply #192 on: January 10, 2018, 12:21:25 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on January 09, 2018, 11:28:15 PM
Is that the standard? Who we think would win on a neutral field? That seems like a poor use of a season's worth of data.
I wonder if most would prefer we just not rank G5 teams at all. It makes folks so angsty. I know UCF had only one chance to prove itself. But if the answer is that going undefeated means you're still considered JV, why not do away with the charade and treat them like another level of FCS? (I'm aware there's a faustian bargain there. The G5 spot allows the chance to prove mettle against bigger teams, which happens with regularity, and access to certain bowl monies. Too bad because I'd watch a G5 playoff, granted I watch a lot of bowls)
The simple answer is that nobody forced UCF to play an OOC of FCS, FIU, Maryland.  If you want to have a chance to be included with the big dogs then put on your big boy pants and go play somebody.  As a G5 team, you can't play that OOC and then complain that you got left out.  
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« Reply #193 on: January 10, 2018, 12:23:51 PM »
I saw this on fivethirtyeight:



I didn't think the increase to four teams was necessary, I definitely don't think a further expansion is necessary.  An expansion to eight would give 1-loss non-Champions a 97% chance of making it.  That means that everybody would effectively have a mulligan.  It would also give 2-loss non-Champions a pretty good chance and that just takes too much away from the every game matters aspect of the season.  
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #194 on: January 10, 2018, 11:22:23 PM »
Give credit to 538 for trying to illustrate the comically easy math of the argument.  It's embarrassing anyone needs such a thing spelled out for them.  
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #195 on: January 11, 2018, 12:19:21 AM »
If we go to a playoff tournament, I would favor paring the regular season back to 11 games. But pare back to 11, then we have to realign conferences so they aren't so large so all teams play each conference opponent at least
occasionally.
Trying to improve a pretty good game has complications. I was satisfied with the Big Ten v. the Pac-8/10 in the Rose Bowl, and would be satisfied with that again because it is just as fun and interesting to argue who is best.
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