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Topic: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #168 on: January 09, 2018, 05:01:40 PM »
Not dropping the playoff teams was interesting. UCF also got a boost from statement makers. In either case, polls are not serious. They are amalgamations of general feeings with numbers next to them.  Ain’t a measure of respect and ain’t worth being pissed over.
Agreed. Granted, other than not playing defense (which was an issue for them all year), Oklahoma didn't show anything that IMHO would warrant them dropping too far. They played a very tight 2OT game against the team that took the national champion to OT.
But Clemson got trounced. They really weren't even competitive. They amassed 188 total yards, on 3.4 ypa passing and 1.9 ypc rushing. Their QB had a rating of 7.2 according to ESPN's box score. Thats... bad. Coupled with the loss to 4-8 Syracuse, I could have seen them dropping below at least one or two teams that didn't make the playoff.

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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #169 on: January 09, 2018, 05:12:11 PM »
I would like to know the last time it happened.
In 2008 to Texas. Beat No. 10 OSU and fell. OSU actually went up a spot because polls are all so relative, ie, every move is largely determined by moves around it. 
The mechanism was actually the same too in a way. Utah knocked off Bama and got a surge of support as an undefeated team. They went up five spots. The slight difference is that No. 2 Oklahoma fell past them, but USC, on the strength of crushing No. 8 PSU in the Bowl, also jumped them. 
As Bwarbainy said above, it was weird with playoff teams. OU and UGA flipped, which seemed right. Clemson fell three spots for losing to the national champs. You could argue they should fall more, but 1 to 7 would be a mighty drop, esp considering Clemson played better vs Miami than UW did. 

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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #170 on: January 09, 2018, 06:04:37 PM »
If you don't finish #1, then who the hell cares what number you end up at???  No one's going to give a damn if you finished 3rd or 7th.  
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« Reply #171 on: January 09, 2018, 07:30:46 PM »
If you don't finish #1, then who the hell cares what number you end up at???  No one's going to give a damn if you finished 3rd or 7th.  
I dunno about that. Seems to me a certain rival of yours got a lot of mileage out of talking about a billion top-5 finishes in a row.
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« Reply #172 on: January 09, 2018, 07:46:58 PM »
recruits pay attention.
networks pay attention.
alum pay attention.
how else do you measure performance other than mean rank, averaged revenue, graduation rates of coaches tenure, and discipline of the student athletes?  honest question.... 

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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #173 on: January 09, 2018, 08:15:26 PM »
Exactly.

Being able to say "we're top-5" is a lot different than saying "we're #7" or whatever.
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #174 on: January 09, 2018, 08:23:40 PM »
should be

bama
uga
okey

tosu
wiscy
clemson
ucf


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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #175 on: January 09, 2018, 08:30:22 PM »
should be

bama
uga
okey

tosu
wiscy
clemson
ucf


I'd put PSU over UCF at a minimum. I think they'd tear them a new one. Probably TCU, Washington, USC, MSU, Notre Dame and Miami too.
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #176 on: January 09, 2018, 09:02:26 PM »
Exactly.

Being able to say "we're top-5" is a lot different than saying "we're #7" or whatever.
That's just people's moronic infatuation with round numbers.....top 5 is just as arbitrary as top 6 or top 7 or top 3.  
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« Reply #177 on: January 09, 2018, 09:04:51 PM »
I don't get Miami this year.....had a great season and all, but in the few pieces of games I saw them, I didn't see their QB do a single quarterbacky thing.  He'd just run around like a video game; sometimes chuck it towards someone and usually run for a few yards.  How do you do that well without a genuine QB back there??  

Honestly looked like if you put someone that had never played football into a live game...take the snap, freak out, run around and do something with the ball.  

Or am I just way off and didn't see enough of him?
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #178 on: January 09, 2018, 09:09:36 PM »
I dunno about that. Seems to me a certain rival of yours got a lot of mileage out of talking about a billion top-5 finishes in a row.
Alright, here.  Without looking it up, where did Ohio State finish ranked in the AP poll last year?
Iowa in 2015?  Wisconsin in 2014?  
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #179 on: January 09, 2018, 09:41:36 PM »
Alright, here.  Without looking it up, where did Ohio State finish ranked in the AP poll last year?
Iowa in 2015?  Wisconsin in 2014?  
Iowa fans know the Iowa answer as I am sure Wisconsin fans know the Wisconsin answer. Iowa finished 9th in 2015, which is actually pretty typical for Kirk Ferentz.

Iowa fans actually make a big deal how Kirk Ferentz either seems to finished unranked or in the top 10.  Usually somewhere between 7th and 9th.

5 times Iowa has finished in the top 10 under Ferentz but never higher than 7th.
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #180 on: January 09, 2018, 10:06:27 PM »
Finishing ranked still means something to me.  I know in the grand scheme of things it doesn't but I still like it when WVU finishes with a number beside its name.   When you don't root for a team that is routinely in the national title hunt you take what you can get.

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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #181 on: January 09, 2018, 10:16:35 PM »
Ranked vs unranked is at least something.  But bitching about 6th vs 4th?  C'mon, man.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

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