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Topic: Can we talk about football?

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bayareabadger

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2022, 10:40:18 PM »
My favorite is judging a HC before he's coached a game for your school.  It's like grading a draft before the players have suited up.  It's brilliant.
Hi friend. This literally started with you’d saying Napier would be fired first. Which wild mean you’re predicting he’ll be mediocre. 

All for the not accepting mediocrity thing, which is always a weird brag.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2022, 10:42:09 PM »
Then why does Frost still have a job?
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The 3 hired in the same season:
34-15  Mullen
18-25  Chip Kelly
15-29  Frost
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Two of those programs accept mediocrity. 
Frost's seat is thermonuclear meltdown hot. And if anyone at Westwood care about football, Kelly's seat would be too.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #72 on: July 31, 2022, 01:07:21 AM »
Hi friend. This literally started with you’d saying Napier would be fired first. Which wild mean you’re predicting he’ll be mediocre.

All for the not accepting mediocrity thing, which is always a weird brag.
You're either bad at reading or the worst at guessing.

I was saying that Mullen was fired, despite being far and away better than his high profile cohort of Kelly and Frost.  So Napier could be more successful than his cohort and still be fired first.

As in Florida doesn't put up with that shit.  

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #73 on: July 31, 2022, 07:37:15 AM »
What we often do here is predict (or guess) about things that may happen in the future knowing we're often wrong.  I thought it an interesting question, even before any have coached a game.  LSU seems to have the worst fit culturally, which can matter, but won't if he turns them around.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #74 on: July 31, 2022, 07:51:54 AM »
It came up on another thread, but the 4th down Miller run in the 2014 Big Ten title game was an interesting piece of pure "football."

The call was tactically better than a straight handoff. But it wasn't trusting talent in a certain way (well, to picking a pure downhill runner's pure talent). They had better numbers to the boundary, and end up missing the play on a sort of ridiculous effort from the OLB.

But it was also a bit of having only one outcome and one version of the choice. If they run right into a 6-man front, with the defense accounting for every gap and the safeties likely triggering down, and Hyde gets stopped, folks are lamenting just running up the middle with all the options they had.


The 2014 Big Ten title game was Cardale Jones: bombs over Baghdad, 59-0.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #75 on: July 31, 2022, 07:55:33 AM »
You're either bad at reading or the worst at guessing.

I was saying that Mullen was fired, despite being far and away better than his high profile cohort of Kelly and Frost.  So Napier could be more successful than his cohort and still be fired first.

As in Florida doesn't put up with that shit. 




No, you quite literally said that the reason Florida will fire their first year HC before the others was due to their unwillingness to accept mediocrity. Your own reading comprehension is the problem here, or perhaps your ability to remember what you typed and when you typed it. 

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #76 on: July 31, 2022, 08:23:18 AM »
Because we don't accept mediocrity. 
This was a response to "Florida or Washington".  Washington does accept some mediocrity, and the "we" narrows it down to a guess of Florida firing first.  I don't know how else to imtrepret this, though it does seem to be grading a coach before he coached his first game.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #77 on: July 31, 2022, 08:53:22 AM »
In order for Fro's ridiculous excuse to be true, he'd've had to have been replying to the voices in his head instead of what was actually typed in the thread. 

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #78 on: July 31, 2022, 01:38:24 PM »

The 2014 Big Ten title game was Cardale Jones: bombs over Baghdad, 59-0.
Back it up a year. Point stands

bayareabadger

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #79 on: July 31, 2022, 02:35:37 PM »
You're either bad at reading or the worst at guessing.

I was saying that Mullen was fired, despite being far and away better than his high profile cohort of Kelly and Frost.  So Napier could be more successful than his cohort and still be fired first.

As in Florida doesn't put up with that shit. 


Cincy: Which first year coach will be the first fired?
Badge: Florida or Washington.
OAM: Because we don't accept mediocrity. 

Perhaps you want the most charitable interpretation? Or you could write more clearly. 

Anyway, the Mullen firing is interesting, though comparing it to the other two is sort of silly. Kelly is where he is because he's at a school that has less football interest, and just had an upward trend. Nebraska is at this point OK with football that's not mediocre, but actually pretty bad. Which is unfortunate. Florida ... well it's an interesting case. Mullen wasn't fired because of his overall record. If he'd gone 6-6 in Year 1 and 11-2 this year, he'd still be there.

His firing was interesting in many ways because he's interesting. Mullen is an actively disinterested recruiter and all-around one of the most abrasive people in the sport. At least Spurrier could charm someone. He also lacked the Spurrier-level foresight to cover his ass with a good defensive hire. So when he explained that his team didn't bother trying in one of 12 games last year, then had them quit on him down the stretch, well, that was gonna be that. 

And it's true, Florida's fanbase is nothing if not impatient. It's a program that across the last 20 years has had a mediocre coach 75% to the time. College sports are weird because people find a way to turn entitlement to the work of others into some kind of badge of honor. Florida has high standards, and keeps hiring mediocre coaches (especially ones with terrible interpersonal skills) and thinking it's notably hotter stuff than it is. 

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #80 on: July 31, 2022, 04:12:16 PM »
I thought Mullen was a good hire being on Urbs staff and knew the state .He got out of the gate well his 1st 2 seasons and won both bowl games to boot,some argue they weren't his players.i would've have given him yr 5 unless they were getting killed in recruiting
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2022, 09:22:54 AM »
At least we now know Florida doesn't tolerate mediocrity ...

... and their new coach could be the first one of the group fired ...

... because Florida doesn't tolerate mediocrity ...

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2022, 11:12:56 AM »
Florida tolerated Fro being on their campus. That's some serious mediocrity, right there.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #83 on: August 01, 2022, 11:39:15 AM »
If I'm lucky, and I often am, Florida will "do a Tennessee" and go through coaches like something through a goose.

I haven't read anything notable about the upcoming season, I do see a lot of click bait of course, with a headling like "Oregon to win the NC?".

I do think UGA will drop a regular season  game somewhere between MSU/UK/Tenn/UF, lose to Bama, and then play Texas in the Cotton.  or something.

 

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