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Topic: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation

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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #168 on: October 30, 2019, 02:24:55 PM »
As most of us predicted, the NCAA is reacting in order to head this off at the pass and move in the direction they'd prefer.  They're officially looking into allowing players to profit off their likeness/image/name/etc.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27957981/ncaa-clears-way-athletes-profit-names-images-likenesses

But I expect the NCAA will want to put restrictions on it, and even if those restrictions seems "reasonable" I'm not certain that all of the lawmakers will be satisfied.  If not, I'd expect them to continue to push the legislation.

Target date for the three NCAA divisions to come up with their rules regarding this, is January 2021.


i'm guessing some states will take it to pay for play, which the cal law is not. some already have, i think. i'm still betting there's going to be some kind of lawsuit over this.

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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #169 on: October 30, 2019, 02:35:40 PM »
i'm guessing some states will take it to pay for play, which the cal law is not. some already have, i think. i'm still betting there's going to be some kind of lawsuit over this.

Pay for play is something the schools definitely DON'T want to get involved in, just so much liability and potential Title IX implications, so I could see a lot of the big money boosters leaning on their favorite politicians to avoid that.  I can't speak for other states but I'd definitely expect politicians in Texas to work against that.

But, if even ONE state pushes it through, then others won't have much choice but to join in. 

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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #170 on: October 30, 2019, 04:19:42 PM »
I thought the big boosters in Texas want as much payment as possible to gain a decided advantage over boosters with less $$$?
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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #171 on: October 30, 2019, 04:51:32 PM »
Pay for play is something the schools definitely DON'T want to get involved in, just so much liability and potential Title IX implications, so I could see a lot of the big money boosters leaning on their favorite politicians to avoid that.  I can't speak for other states but I'd definitely expect politicians in Texas to work against that.

But, if even ONE state pushes it through, then others won't have much choice but to join in. 
i agree. i just meant that there's still going to be some haggle over the actual rule (and who gets to decide it/enforce it) because so far none of the states have completely agreed on the details of the law. (not to mention the ncaa and schools)

the ny law, for example, has a part that the schools must put up 15% of revenue as payment for the players. that's not going to ever go over with the ncaa, and shouldn't, imo.

everyone is clamoring over this new ncaa rule (or really, just them asking the divisions to propose rules) but i don't think this really avoids the lawsuits that are to come. could be wrong, maybe now the states back down. but with politicians, i doubt it. i'm guessing more than a few see it as a platform boost and won't let it die.

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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #172 on: October 30, 2019, 04:56:25 PM »
I thought the big boosters in Texas want as much payment as possible to gain a decided advantage over boosters with less $$$?
Pay for play, at least the way it's commonly used, would be coming from the schools, not the boosters. 

It's at best a headache and at worst a complete non-starter for most university administrators.  They want no part of paying their student-athletes, it opens up about 3 dozens cans of worms that they have no desire to become involved with.

And because it would potentially represent a DECREASE in the amount of influence the boosters have, I doubt they'd want it, either.

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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #173 on: October 30, 2019, 04:58:34 PM »
tax opportunity for the states

big booster makes a tax deductable donation, money goes to the college player

college player's income is taxed!

perfect!!!
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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #174 on: October 30, 2019, 04:59:33 PM »
same as paying for player's likeness

player's income is gonna be taxed!
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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #175 on: October 30, 2019, 05:29:32 PM »
It's at best a headache and at worst a complete non-starter for most university administrators.  They want no part of paying their student-athletes, it opens up about 3 dozens cans of worms that they have no desire to become involved with.
Ya they'd have to call the whole thing off.They're in the business of education not providing fodder for networks and the NFL for free.I'd imagine this could open a whole bag of snakes to student athletes on scholarship in other sports.Sense is turning to nonsense and has for quite some,paying coaches obscene amounts of money got the ball rolling
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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #176 on: October 30, 2019, 06:39:43 PM »
slashing coaching staff salaries and AD staff salaries won't help this situation

it's about athletes not getting enough

problem is that the starting QB isn't getting a fair share, but the women's soccer team is getting more than their fair share
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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #177 on: October 30, 2019, 10:57:30 PM »
I think we're on the cusp of a number of large changes, most of them not what we'd really like to see.

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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #178 on: January 14, 2020, 09:57:51 PM »
The Nebraska unicameral dipped its toe into college athletics on Monday when Omaha senator Megan Hunt and several other state senators introduced LB 962, which the bill is calling the Nebraska Fair Pay to Play Act.

The bill reads similar to other bills introduced around the country in recent months that allow college athletes to be paid for their name, likeness and image outside of their sport.

Among the noteworthy portions of the bill:


— Institutions cannot prevent an athlete from participating in an intercollegiate sport because that athlete earns compensation for their name, image, or likeness rights or athletic reputation.

— No collegiate athletic association can penalize or prevent a student-athlete from fully participating in an intercollegiate sport because they earn compensation for their name, image, or likeness rights or athletic reputation.

— No collegiate athletic association can penalize a University or prevent an institution from fully participating in an intercollegiate sport because a student-athlete earns compensation for the use of such student-athlete’s name, image, or likeness rights or athletic reputation.

— An institution cannot allow compensation earned to affect the duration, amount, or eligibility for or renewal of any athletic grant-in-aid or other institutional scholarship.


— Any athlete who enters into a contract to benefit from their name, image, likeness rights or athletic reputation must notify their academic institution.

— An athlete shall not enter into a contract that requires student-athlete to display a sponsor's apparel or to otherwise advertise for the sponsor during official team activities and compliance with such contract requirement would conflict with a team contract.

The act would go into effect on July 1, 2023.

The act is similar to those written by other states, and does not force schools to pay athletes, but the drumbeat of bills allowing college athletes to benefit from their name and likeness forced the NCAA to act earlier this fall.
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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #179 on: January 15, 2020, 09:08:58 PM »
Pay for play is something the schools definitely DON'T want to get involved in, just so much liability and potential Title IX implications, so I could see a lot of the big money boosters leaning on their favorite politicians to avoid that.  I can't speak for other states but I'd definitely expect politicians in Texas to work against that.

But, if even ONE state pushes it through, then others won't have much choice but to join in. 

gender neutrality might destroy Title IX in the next decade.   Wouldn't it be odd that women's rights could end up being destroyed by the far left and not the far right?

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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #180 on: January 16, 2020, 07:55:11 AM »
gender neutrality might destroy Title IX in the next decade.  Wouldn't it be odd that women's rights could end up being destroyed by the far left and not the far right?
Interesting point, Ent.  That would be odd indeed.

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Re: California Asembly passed bill to allow players likeness compensation
« Reply #181 on: January 16, 2020, 08:09:23 AM »
Interesting point, Ent.  That would be odd indeed.
A lot of this has been coming to a head at the high school levels.  Some strange bedfellows in the debate too.   The litigation has been interesting.   I don't think there's been bigger lightning rod subject matter involving participatory sports since the ADA/Casey Martin case.

 

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