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Topic: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game

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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
« Reply #112 on: December 06, 2017, 03:42:04 PM »


So much for Big Jim having the fix in for UW. Heh.

he's not as smart and powerful as we were led to believe 
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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #113 on: December 06, 2017, 03:53:00 PM »
Badge,
I noticed that watching live.  It was pretty obviously PI, but I couldn't figure out if Ohio State simply got lucky or if the officials knew of some wrinkle in the rules to the effect that since the hold (also obvious just like the PI) negated the play, what happened after that didn't matter.  I was thinking of how there is no PI on a tipped ball, for example.  I don't think that makes sense though so I think you are right, both should have been called and it should have been effectively a "do-over".  

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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #114 on: December 06, 2017, 04:25:10 PM »
Watching it live, I remember waiting to hear offsetting penalties on that play. Re-playing 1st and 10 is a lot different than 1st and 20. It made a difference.

But not as big a difference as those three big plays in the first 20 minutes you highlighted in your earlier posts. And yes, Ohio State missed on some other big opportunities.

Overall frustrating, but not too surprising. Every time I watch Wisconsin play Ohio State and Michigan I hold my breath about the big play. It's as regular as clockwork.

And even so, I agree: the Ohio State d-line was the biggest difference maker. It's rare to see a Wisconsin o-line get handled, but it was on Saturday.

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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #115 on: December 06, 2017, 05:40:02 PM »
Yeah, no doubt the Badgers got outplayed in the first half. That was the difference.

Good to see you SF. You are missed here.

Anyway, from my favorite (non-Badger fan) beat writer of the Milwaukee paper:

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I watched the official closest to that play and he merely signaled incomplete pass. Did not motion the ball was uncatchable. I don't know how you miss that. It should have been offsetting calls and first and 10.
by Jeff Potrykus 12/6/2017 2:24:07 AM 8:24 PM yesterday
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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #116 on: December 06, 2017, 07:18:16 PM »
must have figured their feet got tangled
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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #117 on: December 06, 2017, 07:24:45 PM »
Maybe watch it again buddy. No tangle. Just a tackle.
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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #118 on: December 06, 2017, 07:40:21 PM »
oh, I know, but if he didn't signal uncatchable, that's the only explanation left
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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #119 on: December 06, 2017, 07:46:47 PM »
I think he just froze in the moment. A human thing.

He probably won't be doing the big game next year.
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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #120 on: December 06, 2017, 08:04:38 PM »
Totally agree it was PI, was sitting in upper deck right in front of me.

But even if they call it, what's odds wiscy scores a TD? 5-10%?

I was begging Meyer to go for the TD on the 2nd 4th and 1. I figured TD were up 10 and game is over. If they don't make it i would have bet my entire savings account that the Badgers wouldn't go 99 yards, their o line was pushed off the ball all night. Wisconsins only chance was to have Russell Wilson at qb. I'm sure hornibrook is a good kid, but he probably should be playing in the MAC, he doesn't have the arm or mobility against elite defenses, and I'm sure I'd even call this OSU defense elite, prob above avg. 

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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #121 on: December 07, 2017, 07:44:40 AM »
You can't put all of the blame on Hornibrook. It's hard to make plays when you don't have any time. Bosa made sure he didn't. Dieter was no match for him.

Read this and watch the video included. You'll see what I mean.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-film-room-taking-a-look-at-what-went/article_7d1834b7-e8eb-580f-a828-bce1e2e59c2c.html#utm_source=host.madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2Fbadgerbeat%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=0701DB267027A176132EF5C6A73A2B8F7659C27A

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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #122 on: December 07, 2017, 09:17:40 AM »
Blaming Hornibrook is definitely wrong.  I thought if OSU got a lead and could pass rush all game it would be over.  It wasn't mostly because of Hornibrook, who had no time but made plays anyway.  

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Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
« Reply #123 on: December 07, 2017, 12:32:15 PM »
I can't get the article open, i'll try later to give it a read. I'm not saying all the blame is on hornibrook, Wisconsin's defense was gashed a number of times, their secondary struggled with the OSU receivers, they had a lot of trouble slowing down dobbins etc and obviously the Badger O-line was beaten.

But, if they had a better QB maybe they would have ran the ball better. I don't think it's much of a secret that most teams look at this badger team and say "let's make Hornibrook beat us" That puts pressure on your O-line and LBs. The OSU LBs had their best game of the season because there wasn't a real passing threat. They were running downhill most of the game. If Wisconsin could have hit some big pass plays early, then it might have changed that dynamic, but it was just never there.

I think Wisconsin is very close to being a national title contender, but other than Russell Wilson they've lacked a dynamic playmaker at the most important position on the field. that doesn't mean you can't be successful program, they obviously win 10 games virtually every year, but to get over that hump, it's take more than just a great run game. and I'm sure people will say if Craig Krenzel can win a nat title so can Hornibrook. but that logic is flawed logic, as the teams winning Nat titles have 4-5 star talent all over the field, and usually when a team that doesn't have that talent breaks through it's because it has a stud QB. Va Tech came close with M Vick, the Auburn team with Cam Newton. Alabama it doesn't matter who's at QB, because they have studs at every other position.

I think Wisconsin is one of those programs with 3 star talent that could win a natty, but it's gotta get better QB play.  

 

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