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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #532 on: February 01, 2021, 01:39:58 PM »
We need entry level unskilled jobs matched to unskilled workers.  That is a clear need.  Most unskilled jobs can be automated, it's a simple fact.  Some are more difficult than others.  Maid services for example can be partly automated, and have been.  I imagine most of the maids cleaning motel rooms are paid very little.  We could end up with a rush to designing motel rooms that can be cleaned automatically.  MIght be nice.

One Big Change coming "soon" is autonomous trucking which would eliminated millions of jobs were a guy can get a CDL and make decent money driving a truck.  I think this changes by 2040.  A lot of folks depend on truck drivers.

Uber/Lyft obviously will get to this also.  We could have cities, portions thereof, where only autonomous vehicles are allowed.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #533 on: February 01, 2021, 01:46:10 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on February 01, 2021, 01:29:27 PM
This is interesting because we've lost tons of low-skill jobs in the past 50 years. Lost them faster than we gained skilled people.

When we automate so many things, it'll be interesting to see if we can invent enough valuable jobs to maintain our social structure. Like, at some point, what if we just automate down the number of jobs in a big way?
We already know we can't 'invent' enough new jobs, especially when truckers are irrelevant.  That's why UBI is a thing.  Yes, on a long-enough timeline, the number of jobs will be <10% of the working age population. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #534 on: February 01, 2021, 02:06:26 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2021, 01:37:59 PM
Most of my family has worked in factories. Those jobs require skill, and in many cases, great skill.

Flipping a burger is not that.
This feels like it kind of blurs the line. There certainly were some factory jobs that required a lot of skill. There also were jobs that do not require a lot of skill. Or at least they required skills low end level enough that they are somewhat analogous to Burger flipping.

Perhaps your family members didn’t have those jobs, but they were plentiful. Many of them did not migrate to Third World countries because of a high skill base there.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #535 on: February 01, 2021, 02:07:42 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on February 01, 2021, 01:20:33 PM
Economically, this is the correct answer.

Man, getting a lot of folks to leave where they're from, that ain't easy.
I do understand this.  I'm still here in my home town.  Been here since 1962.

It's a nice town with plenty of jobs that pay well, but...........

forecast a high of 5 above zero in Super Bowl Sunday.

Uncle Skeeter lives about 4 hours north.  Great area, good jobs, but expected low Saturday and Sunday nights 20 below.  High temp on SB Sunday?  negative 8
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #536 on: February 01, 2021, 02:10:50 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 01, 2021, 10:53:27 AM
LMAO
Just go get a better job. 
Just move. 

Damn, why didn't the starving millions in Africa just move?!?
I wasn't talking about Africa
but if y'all want to talk about Africa.......... many did move here a couple centuries ago, against their will for the most part.  Their descendants are probably living a better life today
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #537 on: February 01, 2021, 02:12:01 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on February 01, 2021, 01:21:35 PM
Used to be we took pride in being able to raise your family by working in a factory.  I guess if the factory produces hamburgers, screw the workers.
the factories producing hamburgers for fast food places are paying over $20/hour and can't find enough workers.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #538 on: February 01, 2021, 03:10:23 PM »
It seems to me that some places probably need a $15 MW and some probably only need $10 or so.  Why not make this basically a local affair?  If you live in a small town in the South, you need a lot less money than in big cities, duh.

I could have bought a MUCH larger place if I wanted to live in say Rome, Georgia instead of here.  Or the same sized place for a quarter what this cost.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #539 on: February 01, 2021, 03:13:35 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 01, 2021, 03:10:23 PM
It seems to me that some places probably need a $15 MW and some probably only need $10 or so.  Why not make this basically a local affair?  If you live in a small town in the South, you need a lot less money than in big cities, duh.

I could have bought a MUCH larger place if I wanted to live in say Rome, Georgia instead of here.  Or the same sized place for a quarter what this cost.


It already is a local thing.  That's why the Federal MW is set relatively low.  Market forces within local markets determine what, if anything, is necessary above that.

People that believe this system isn't working, effectively believe the MW should be a living wage.

Which is certainly debatable and is really a separate argument.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #540 on: February 01, 2021, 03:51:28 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on February 01, 2021, 01:20:33 PM
Economically, this is the correct answer.

Man, getting a lot of folks to leave where they're from, that ain't easy.
If I didn't have kids under 18 [and only partial custody], it would be a lot easier for me to leave SoCal and afford a higher quality of life. 

But then again, if I didn't have kids under 18 [and child support payments], I could afford to stay. 

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #541 on: February 01, 2021, 04:28:32 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 01, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
It already is a local thing.  That's why the Federal MW is set relatively low.  Market forces within local markets determine what, if anything, is necessary above that.

People that believe this system isn't working, effectively believe the MW should be a living wage.

Which is certainly debatable and is really a separate argument.
West Texas and East Texas are obviously different than Austin or Dallas/FW.  It's gotta be pretty low to allow businesses in West Texas to be able to pay workers in some jobs.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #542 on: February 01, 2021, 06:12:43 PM »
My company pays well more than Arizona's Minimum wage and are willing to training people if they are willing to work.  We hire for most of the construction trade, but you don't necessarily have to have experience.  We cannot get enough applicants to fill our need. We advertise all over the place, We have job fairs. offer incentives to employees for referral.  Still not enough.  Only bad thing is we have a strict Drug policy, We do a hair test for hiring 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #543 on: February 01, 2021, 06:15:43 PM »
Drug testing is a HUGE deterrent for getting new employees.  I don't mean it's wrong, but a lot of folks know they can pass a pee test, much less a hair test.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #544 on: February 01, 2021, 06:26:46 PM »
I respect those folks decision, but they may have to settle for a MW job.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #545 on: February 01, 2021, 06:48:51 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 01, 2021, 02:07:42 PM
I do understand this.  I'm still here in my home town.  Been here since 1962.

It's a nice town with plenty of jobs that pay well, but...........

forecast a high of 5 above zero in Super Bowl Sunday.

Uncle Skeeter lives about 4 hours north.  Great area, good jobs, but expected low Saturday and Sunday nights 20 below.  High temp on SB Sunday?  negative 8
So what's the difference between that and kayaks melting off the roofs of SUVs in FLA/TEX/AZ?Takes longer for the car to warm up but lakes disappearing instead of freezing over could be problematic.Much rather throw on an extra wool scarf/sweater on than sit down on a bench at the ball yard and have 2-3  layers of skin stay there when you get up - but that's just me
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