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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #490 on: January 29, 2021, 06:14:42 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on January 29, 2021, 04:36:52 PM
Off-shoring, NAFTA, and Chinese imports have certainly cost a LOT of American jobs but one type of job is completely safe from all of those.  That is any service that HAS to be done locally like contractors be they HVAC, roofers, lawncare, whatever.  None of that can be off-shored, shifted to Mexico (NAFTA), or shifted to China because it HAS to be done locally.  If your roof leaks you need someone to come to YOUR house and fix it.  You can't pay some Chinese kid in Wuhan $0.50 to fix it because he isn't here. 
Capital was allowed to flow out of the country- this is what has crushed the American worker- which in turn put blue color sector jobs in competition with cheap foreign labor - while white collar jobs (Doctors, Lawyers, Executive) were protected. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #491 on: January 29, 2021, 06:15:36 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on January 29, 2021, 06:07:57 PM
And yet the skilled trades are constantly looking for workers. And pay WAY more than minimum wage.
The key word there is "skilled".  We've talked about VocEd on here before and I see it as SERIOUSLY under-emphasized.  IMHO we send WAY too many borderline and below borderline "college material" kids to college where they either flunk out or earn useless degrees.  IMHO, the vast majority would be FAR better off learning to be a skilled plumber, carpenter, HVAC tech, mechanic, roofer, etc.  

That, however, is NOT the same thing as showing up at a job interview saying "I don't know anything about plumbing but will you hire me in your plumbing business?"  
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #492 on: January 29, 2021, 06:30:46 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on January 29, 2021, 06:15:36 PM
That, however, is NOT the same thing as showing up at a job interview saying "I don't know anything about plumbing but will you hire me in your plumbing business?" 
True. To get into the skilled trades takes some study. 

I'm guessing you make more than minimum wage doing construction even without being in the skilled trades though. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #493 on: January 29, 2021, 06:34:56 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on January 29, 2021, 06:30:46 PM
True. To get into the skilled trades takes some study.

I'm guessing you make more than minimum wage doing construction even without being in the skilled trades though.
This is also true.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #494 on: January 30, 2021, 08:42:45 AM »
AAS in HVAC vs BA in Art History.

The former costs $6000.00. 

The latter costs $200,000.00.

The former pays $60,000.00. 

The latter pays
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #495 on: January 30, 2021, 09:33:49 AM »
My kid not on scholarship cost me about $17 K a year all in at OSU.  She got degrees in French and English.  She's now making around $80 K.

In Columbus that isn't bad.  
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #496 on: January 30, 2021, 09:37:13 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on January 29, 2021, 06:07:57 PM
And yet the skilled trades are constantly looking for workers. And pay WAY more than minimum wage.

Quote from: bayareabadger on January 29, 2021, 06:10:21 PM
What are the jobs? (Not snarky, just curious)
unskilled trades


meat packing, ice cream production, ice cream cone production, cookie production (food production)
there are 4 large companies in this area that have been running ads and recruiting workers for over 2 years here constantly
it's not easy work, but $15-$20/hour starting
full benefits
the ice cream plant even provides a bus ride from the large city to thier plant 30 miles away
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #497 on: January 30, 2021, 09:49:45 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on January 29, 2021, 06:15:36 PM
That, however, is NOT the same thing as showing up at a job interview saying "I don't know anything about plumbing but will you hire me in your plumbing business?" 
kids with good work ethic and ambition can EASILY get a plumbing, HVAC, communications (low voltage wiring/cat5) w/o a community college degree and work their way up.

plenty of opportunities in this are to make $15-$20/hour STARTING out in this area

just need some ambition and work ethic
I know these opportunities don't exist for some
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #498 on: January 30, 2021, 09:54:40 AM »
we also have this outstanding opportunity in the area.............

Enrollment of around 5,500 students

Western Iowa Tech Community College is a public institution in Sioux City, Iowa.
It has a total enrollment of 5674.
The school utilizes a semester-based academic year. The student-faculty ratio is 16-to-1. The highest degree offered at Western Iowa Tech Community College is an associate degree. The school has an open admissions policy and offers credit for life experiences.

The in-state tuition and fees for 2018-2019 were $4,272, and out-of-state tuition and fees were $4,296. There is no application fee.

Students can earn degrees and certificates in 19 different fields. Popular programs include: Liberal Arts and Sciences, General Studies and Humanities, Health Professions and Related Programs, and Communications Technologies/Technicians and Support Services.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #499 on: January 30, 2021, 03:56:32 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 30, 2021, 09:33:49 AM
My kid not on scholarship cost me about $17 K a year all in at OSU.  She got degrees in French and English.  She's now making around $80 K.

In Columbus that isn't bad. 
I got a friend with a law degree making a solid bit less for the same money in that townn. 

Not to be too nosy, but what line of work. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #500 on: January 30, 2021, 03:59:38 PM »
She is a "senior web designer".  She got into coding at some point.  She had a job offer for $130 back in December, but turned it down, just before COVID hit.

My other kid is a lawyer, technically, but is not working as one.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #501 on: January 30, 2021, 04:00:34 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 30, 2021, 08:42:45 AM
AAS in HVAC vs BA in Art History.

The former costs $6000.00.

The latter costs $200,000.00.

The former pays $60,000.00.

The latter pays
I wanted to make a joke about how Art History is kinda rare, but then I realized UW produced 13 such majors in 2019. That's too many. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #502 on: January 30, 2021, 04:01:22 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 30, 2021, 03:59:38 PM
She is a "senior web designer".  She got into coding at some point.  She had a job offer for $130 back in December, but turned it down, just before COVID hit.

My other kid is a lawyer, technically, but is not working as one.
I'd like to get into coding, but I also have not enough interest. Plus it would exacerbate my worst habits. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #503 on: January 30, 2021, 04:02:44 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on January 29, 2021, 06:15:36 PM
The key word there is "skilled".  We've talked about VocEd on here before and I see it as SERIOUSLY under-emphasized.  IMHO we send WAY too many borderline and below borderline "college material" kids to college where they either flunk out or earn useless degrees.  IMHO, the vast majority would be FAR better off learning to be a skilled plumber, carpenter, HVAC tech, mechanic, roofer, etc. 

That, however, is NOT the same thing as showing up at a job interview saying "I don't know anything about plumbing but will you hire me in your plumbing business?" 
At some point, I think there will be a breakthrough here. WE had a run on nursing education when people realized the money that gets you. Hopefully vocational stuff rises again. 
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