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Maybe on your End HB - Enron/Arthur Anderson,BP(Black Water)look at Pew-losi bedding down with Tesla,the major players in the military-industrial,that shit stain Dick Cheney given the government contract to fly supplies to the middle east that wasn't open to bid when the spineless cock got 6 deferments during the Vietnam war.That was worth untold millions.Just a few examples off the top of my coconut that side of the ball has plenty of oozing boils - we're not in Kansas anymore unfortunately

Contrary to what OfA says, and to your post here, nobody has said or even inferred that everywhere in corporate America it is clean and totally ethical.  Far from it.

But the analogy I would make is citizens in general. 

Obviously many people are unethical and commit crimes and fraud.  Do, therefore all people are bad and commit crimes or fraud.

See how ridiculous that is?

I can tell you, as someone who is in corporate exec world and has been for years- many who paint it with a broad brush- in this thread included- have no inkling about what they are talking about.  Most industries are not only regulated, they are severely OVER regulated, at great cost to consumers and jobs ( except government jobs of course).

if I were to give you a few examples in my industry alone- you would think I was making it up.

HB and Badge - you guys really believe in the systems that referee big business.  I'm surprised.  Is that not naive?  

We all acknowledge elite HCs are mostly hardass workaholics, but to think Fortune 500 CEOs aren't seems silly, doesn't it?  And we have also acknowledged that elite HCs while not obviously cheating, are cutting corners and bending the rules to get ahead...but big companies aren't?  

The elite HC is going to give the big star a 2nd chance he wouldn't give the 3rd-string LB.  He's going to make promises he can't keep to the 5* kid's living room.  And he has to do this to remain an elite HC.  Not doing anything illegal, but doing what he needs to to be the best.
Big companies do the same thing.  I don't see how this is absurd of me to say.  

Obviously many people are unethical and commit crimes and fraud.  Do, therefore all people are bad and commit crimes or fraud.

See how ridiculous that is?

But the topic of my initial post isn't "people at large" or "a group of people chosen at random" - it's the big corporations and their decision-makers. 

They are decidedly NOT a subset of the population at large. They do not have much in common with your average citizen.  They're where they are for a reason, and it isn't to act ethically at the expense of a dollar.
The people in question are at the tail end of several bell curves - for wilingness to work long hours, the bell curve for shrewdness, for value-based decision-making, etc.

HB and Badge - you guys really believe in the systems that referee big business.  I'm surprised.  Is that not naive? 

We all acknowledge elite HCs are mostly hardass workaholics, but to think Fortune 500 CEOs aren't seems silly, doesn't it?  And we have also acknowledged that elite HCs while not obviously cheating, are cutting corners and bending the rules to get ahead...but big companies aren't? 

The elite HC is going to give the big star a 2nd chance he wouldn't give the 3rd-string LB.  He's going to make promises he can't keep to the 5* kid's living room.  And he has to do this to remain an elite HC.  Not doing anything illegal, but doing what he needs to to be the best.
Big companies do the same thing.  I don't see how this is absurd of me to say. 

So let's assume that the analogy is that Fortune 500 CEOs are like P5 HCs. Any level below that (G5, FCS, etc) probably isn't an amenable analogy to this discussion. P5 should be the level of elite, yes, even though we usually call "elite" a much smaller group. 

Let me ask you this... Would ALL P5 HCs cheat if it meant they'd get some blue chip athlete? Heck, would ALL P5 HCs outright lie to the blue chip recruit--promise playing time, promise that he wouldn't switch his position, etc to get him on campus?

Because that's the direct analogy of your statement. 

And lest we put words in your mouth, if you don't actually believe they ALL would do that, what percentage do you believe would?

There is not, and has never been, a relationship between the company and the university.

When did you start taking me seriously?

When did you start taking me seriously?

When I do, I'll tell ya 

What is a specific example of where a large company chose a legal, but unethical behavior because it would generate more profits?