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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #364 on: January 27, 2021, 08:55:55 PM »
Maybe stop assuming my posts have an emotional tone, lol.
Do you ever think, when you write something, "how is my audience going to receive this--and is that the reaction I want?"


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« Reply #365 on: January 27, 2021, 09:15:22 PM »
Only when my audience can be swayed by reason and prudence.  You have convinced me to give up, though.  So the guys should throw you a party or something.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #366 on: January 27, 2021, 09:46:21 PM »
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« Reply #368 on: January 28, 2021, 12:17:13 AM »

https://twitter.com/Jordan_Deeb/status/1354474147016024069?s=19
Yeah I was all on that train and happy as hell the people crushed the evil billionaire hedge fund shorts- but turns out while reddit might’ve started the run- it’s most likely another evil hedge fund- Citadel- causing the insane share price to go sky high in order to crush a hedge fund called Melvin Capital and all the other hedge funds that were piggybagging of Melvin’s insanely dangerous and wreckless shorts of GameStop. 

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #369 on: January 28, 2021, 08:35:59 AM »
When you were busy being offended, you completely missed the point.  FFS, you guys are special.
You missed the point. You cited my post as anecdotal. I responded in kind. I probably know at least 5000 business owners - most of which are really good people.
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« Reply #370 on: January 28, 2021, 08:43:11 AM »
You missed the point. You cited my post as anecdotal. I responded in kind. I probably know at least 5000 business owners - most of which are really good people.
Sigh.
1 - you do not know 5000 owners of (quoting myself) "big companies"
2 - why are you suggesting that someone who chooses profits over ethics isn't a good person?  This is another case of you making a leap for no good reason.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #371 on: January 28, 2021, 08:47:37 AM »
Community involvement and public responsibility are extremely important at my very large computer manufacturing corporation.  It starts at the top with the owner/founder.  I'm proud of the work we do.  The company matches up to $10,000 per year of charitable contributions per employee.  And the company allows, provides for, and in many ways expects, employee volunteerism in their local communities.

I know not all large corporations are like the one I work for.  But there are others.  And the original assertion was that ALL large companies trade ethics for profits EVERY time, and that's simply and demonstrably not true.


Speaking from my 34 years in corporate America at publicly traded companies, and my one on one work with virtually several thousand small businesses, this post right here is right on the money.
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« Reply #372 on: January 28, 2021, 08:47:50 AM »
Sigh.
1 - you do not know 5000 owners of (quoting myself) "big companies"
2 - why are you suggesting that someone who chooses profits over ethics isn't a good person?  This is another case of you making a leap for no good reason.
"Big" companies do not have "owners". They have caretakers - most of which are highly ethical people.

You have no idea who I know. How would you?
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #373 on: January 28, 2021, 08:49:39 AM »
Huge companies are run by individuals.  Individuals in general have varying views of what is ethical.  If some CEO makes a decision that favors profits but shorts YOUR idea of ethics, he is only being unethical in YOUR eyes.  In HIS eyes, he's perhaps being ethical.

Let's say a CEO decides to lay people off.  Is that ethical?  It's obviously situational, and it's bad for those laid off.  On the other hand, keeping people on when it hurts the company is also unethical and could end up hurting many more people.

Imagine the CEO of Exxon becomes a climate change devotee and decides to divest their entire fossil fuel business.  Maybe that is ethical (probably not in reality), it would also end up hurting a lot of employees and shareholders.

Or take where I worked, they have had chances to enter the alcohol business but never did, ostensibly for "ethics" (or PR more likely).  They probably could have made more money for shareholders and grown the business and hired more people.  Is that choice ethical or not?

Ethics is in the eye of the beholder.  

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #374 on: January 28, 2021, 08:51:11 AM »
"Big" companies do not have "owners". They have caretakers - most of which are highly ethical people.

You have no idea who I know. How would you?
Heh, they have officers

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« Reply #375 on: January 28, 2021, 08:58:15 AM »
Also- who decides what is “ ethical” in today’s politically charged, cancel culture world?

Additionally- the amount of energy, resources, research and planning that exists today in corporate America, that is focused on community support and employee engagement- is exponentially greater than at any time in our history.  Organizations know:

Long term sustainability is not possible without engaged, relatively happy employees. 

And

Corporations and businesses are the backbone of the communities the serve, and will be quickly shunned by employees and clients for non performance in this area.  

The Private Sector is where the folks in need get the most help.  Food drives, medical drives, financial aid, gifts and endowments- it is off the charts. 

That is why so many of these larger corporations and even medium-size ones have community engagement officers, employee engagement officers, diversity and inclusion officers, employee resource groups for minorities, women, LGBTQ etc.

For those on this thread posing the lack of ethics in corporate America you probably need to educate yourself or stop being brainwashed
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #376 on: January 28, 2021, 09:06:54 AM »
I'm trying to think of an example where a large company acted unethically but legally for profit.  I'm sure an example exists, but it could be arguable as to the ethical part.

The legal part at least tries to be clear cut.  Ethics is in the eye of ...

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #377 on: January 28, 2021, 10:42:42 AM »
This is hilarious - you're expecting major corporations' ugly decisions to just be out in the open for all of us to see.  
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