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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #336 on: January 27, 2021, 01:46:41 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2021, 11:22:07 AM
I disagree. I know plenty of business owners who 
This isn't a legitimate retort.  Ever.  The plural of anecdote isn't evidence.
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« Reply #337 on: January 27, 2021, 01:50:17 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 27, 2021, 09:44:12 AM
And you know this happens EVERY TIME how exactly?

EVERY TIME strikes me as a generalization.

And of course there are legal considerations.  Many companies show evidence of long term growth in sales at least annually.  If they contract it can be because of selling off a unit.  Companies exist to make a profit for their owners, so they do tend to focus on that.
Because if they didn't, they wouldn't exist for very long (in our system at this time and place).
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #338 on: January 27, 2021, 01:51:50 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on January 27, 2021, 11:08:20 AM
Said by someone who doesn't work in the private sector and probably has never rubbed elbows with C-level execs to understand what they're really like and how they make decisions.
C-level execs and whoever else you want to rope into your sample make ethics-based decisions when they can, and profit-based decisions when they have to.  And eventually, they always have to.  

This isn't alarming or a hot take.  It's total.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #339 on: January 27, 2021, 01:52:44 PM »
You are claiming that a company cannot be both profitable and consider ethics as a basis for business decisions.

And that opinion is based on nothing but your bias.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #340 on: January 27, 2021, 01:55:35 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 27, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
You are claiming that a company cannot be both profitable and consider ethics as a basis for business decisions.

And that opinion is based on nothing but your bias.

It's a false dichotomy, a logical fallacy, and is unworthy of response.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #341 on: January 27, 2021, 01:55:53 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2021, 01:46:41 PM
This isn't a legitimate retort.  Ever.  The plural of anecdote isn't evidence.
You have zero clue how many business owners I know, and you know absolutely nothing about business and how they are run. I do.

Any good business owner - large or small - knows that employees are everything. Without employees, there is no business.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #342 on: January 27, 2021, 02:24:28 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2021, 01:46:41 PM
This isn't a legitimate retort.  Ever.  The plural of anecdote isn't evidence.
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2021, 01:51:50 PM
C-level execs and whoever else you want to rope into your sample make ethics-based decisions when they can, and profit-based decisions when they have to.  And eventually, they always have to. 

This isn't alarming or a hot take.  It's total.
And where's your evidence? 

Remember, your claim was that when ethics and profit are in conflict, business leaders will ALWAYS choose profit. 

Saying it's not alarming or a hot take is just a way to evade actually backing up your statement with evidence.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #343 on: January 27, 2021, 02:45:45 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on January 27, 2021, 11:08:20 AM
Said by someone who doesn't work in the private sector and probably has never rubbed elbows with C-level execs to understand what they're really like and how they make decisions.
what he was saying was pretty much accurate for publicly traded Fortune 500-1000 multi-national US based companies. Because the way Wall Street has corrupted everything- the ONLY thing these psychopaths that run a lot of these companies care about is their stock price- and in order to keep that stock price going up up up up- they have to show profitability/growth somehow.

Those are a different breed than most businesses. Most businesses are small to medium, and private. His mistake as usual- was generalizing.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #344 on: January 27, 2021, 02:48:03 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2021, 01:55:53 PM
You have zero clue how many business owners I know, and you know absolutely nothing about business and how they are run. I do.

Any good business owner - large or small - knows that employees are everything. Without employees, there is no business.
private businesses- sure. Agree 100%. 

Publicly traded behemoths? Execs typically only give a shit about their shareholders and the stock price- and in large part themselves- as their pay packages have increasingly become tied to stock. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #345 on: January 27, 2021, 02:50:39 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on January 27, 2021, 02:45:45 PM
what he was saying was pretty much accurate for publicly traded Fortune 500-1000 multi-national US based companies. Because the way Wall Street has corrupted everything- the ONLY thing these psychopaths that run a lot of these companies care about is their stock price- and in order to keep that stock price going up up up up- they have to show profitability/growth somehow.

Those are a different breed than most businesses. Most businesses are small to medium, and private. His mistake as usual- was generalizing.
Many, but not all of them. Lots of those places are named "best places to work" consistently.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #346 on: January 27, 2021, 03:00:03 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2021, 02:50:39 PM
Many, but not all of them. Lots of those places are named "best places to work" consistently.
I'm sure Google is a great place to work- where if you don't agree with their politics/ideology they censor you or fire you.

They are the best places to work as opposed to what? They are just ranking the biggest companies- and which ones suck the least to work at.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #347 on: January 27, 2021, 03:19:33 PM »
Obviously it depends on the company, of course. Google would not be good for me, lmao.

My wife worked at Baxter for 37 years. Great place to work. Love the pension.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #348 on: January 27, 2021, 03:28:34 PM »
Community involvement and public responsibility are extremely important at my very large computer manufacturing corporation.  It starts at the top with the owner/founder.  I'm proud of the work we do.  The company matches up to $10,000 per year of charitable contributions per employee.  And the company allows, provides for, and in many ways expects, employee volunteerism in their local communities.

I know not all large corporations are like the one I work for.  But there are others.  And the original assertion was that ALL large companies trade ethics for profits EVERY time, and that's simply and demonstrably not true.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #349 on: January 27, 2021, 03:31:25 PM »
I've heard nothing bad about that company.
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