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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?

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MaximumSam

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #322 on: January 27, 2021, 10:24:30 AM »
Speaking of which, that's something I'll have to investigate when my son nears 18 years of age... With his autism, he will qualify for disability.
You definitely should.  I have no direct experience with it but I have several clients who have or are trying to get it, and it's a bit of a mess to deal with.  It feels like one of those government programs where they get bombarded with applications so they knock people out for missing some required paperwork or other technical issue.

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« Reply #323 on: January 27, 2021, 10:27:22 AM »
Speaking of private companies, let's hear what Thicc Dad says...


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« Reply #324 on: January 27, 2021, 10:38:37 AM »
I mean - obviously owners want to make money.  But officers don't want their company to go out of business, and have a vested financial interest in keeping things afloat. 
Here is a difference. I'll use me as an example here, but there are countless examples of the same.

When the crash happened, my company was almost 100 percent in residential land development. In two weeks we went from having 22 subdivisions on the books, to none.

As a result, we had to transform the business, which we obviously did. We had 24 employees and sadly went down to 4. My partner (at the time there was only us) and I went without a paycheck for 3 (THREE!!) years, so we could keep those 4 people. 2 of those people are now partners, by the way, in my 28 person firm.

An officer at a non-profit is NOT doing that sacrifice.

He/she would be on to the next tit to suck on.
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« Reply #325 on: January 27, 2021, 11:08:20 AM »
The problem with the private sector (at least the big companies) is that every time there's a decision to be made between profits and ethics, profits always wins.  Even when the ethical route is chosen, it's because of long-term profits. 

Perpetual, quarterly growth is not sustainable. 
Said by someone who doesn't work in the private sector and probably has never rubbed elbows with C-level execs to understand what they're really like and how they make decisions.

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« Reply #326 on: January 27, 2021, 11:12:47 AM »
Here is a difference. I'll use me as an example here, but there are countless examples of the same.

When the crash happened, my company was almost 100 percent in residential land development. In two weeks we went from having 22 subdivisions on the books, to none.

As a result, we had to transform the business, which we obviously did. We had 24 employees and sadly went down to 4. My partner (at the time there was only us) and I went without a paycheck for 3 (THREE!!) years, so we could keep those 4 people. 2 of those people are now partners, by the way, in my 28 person firm.

An officer at a non-profit is NOT doing that sacrifice.

He/she would be on to the next tit to suck on.
Yeah, but you're a stand up guy.  I have a hard time believing that as a class business owners are stand up people and nonprofit officers aren't.

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« Reply #327 on: January 27, 2021, 11:15:16 AM »
I don't know why this is so hard to understand, but a company that doesn't make a profit isn't long to be a company.

Companies are not public service organizations, sucking on the government tit.
Weirdly we’ve seen companies survive a long time without profit. The obsession is growth, which is maybe not so good. 

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« Reply #328 on: January 27, 2021, 11:17:19 AM »
Here is a difference. I'll use me as an example here, but there are countless examples of the same.

When the crash happened, my company was almost 100 percent in residential land development. In two weeks we went from having 22 subdivisions on the books, to none.

As a result, we had to transform the business, which we obviously did. We had 24 employees and sadly went down to 4. My partner (at the time there was only us) and I went without a paycheck for 3 (THREE!!) years, so we could keep those 4 people. 2 of those people are now partners, by the way, in my 28 person firm.

An officer at a non-profit is NOT doing that sacrifice.

He/she would be on to the next tit to suck on.
Most people are not making that sacrifice at all, profit or non-profit.

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« Reply #329 on: January 27, 2021, 11:22:07 AM »
Most people are not making that sacrifice at all, profit or non-profit.
I disagree. I know plenty of business owners who go without checks in the interest of their business surviving.

We are competitive people by nature. Failure is not an option. Most of us would rather die than fail in business, and we'll do whatever it takes to make it happen.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #330 on: January 27, 2021, 11:37:09 AM »
Weirdly we’ve seen companies survive a long time without profit. The obsession is growth, which is maybe not so good.

I'm sure you realize that positive cash flow can keep a company with after taxes losses going forever, in effect.  Cash flow in some respects is more important than EBITA.


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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #331 on: January 27, 2021, 11:38:59 AM »
I was on a team for a while charged with getting us into new business opportunities.  We were told from the start that alcohol was off limits.

We looked into some weird S.

Many of the things we delved into became real products much later, but not in the company.  

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« Reply #332 on: January 27, 2021, 12:18:58 PM »
I disagree. I know plenty of business owners who go without checks in the interest of their business surviving.

We are competitive people by nature. Failure is not an option. Most of us would rather die than fail in business, and we'll do whatever it takes to make it happen.
Doesn't that insinuate that companies owned by less passionate people are a lot less likely to care about the business and the people who work for them? Like large corporations?

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« Reply #333 on: January 27, 2021, 12:37:05 PM »
Less passionate people don't typically start businesses.
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« Reply #334 on: January 27, 2021, 12:38:18 PM »
Less passionate people don't typically start businesses.
They may not start them but they certainly do own them

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« Reply #335 on: January 27, 2021, 12:40:32 PM »
Weirdly we’ve seen companies survive a long time without profit. The obsession is growth, which is maybe not so good.
I don't think you see that very often, unless you have funding sources willing to keep putting money in for some future payoff.

A good example of that would be startups. Often you have someone who has a really good idea, and he needs investors. It might start with a small angel investor, then get through series A funding, and there could be millions of dollars invested before a product ever reaches market, much less earns a profit. The goal is a deferred payoff, either in the manner of a disruptive company that goes IPO and makes the investors and founders rich, or becomes an acquisition target and makes the investors and founders rich. 

Obviously we saw high-profile companies like Tesla constantly raising funds to grow and investors believed enough in their story to keep footing the bill. Others like Amazon weren't showing profit, but were making money and constantly reinvesting that money into the business to grow. 

But these are exceptions, not the rule. For a small business owner that, for example, starts a restaurant, or a hair salon, or a medical practice, or an architecture firm, or a brewery, they need profit or they die. Because in that space nobody is going to continue throwing money at them for a "story". Most small businesses are designed to make money for their owners, not to favor explosive growth. 

 

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