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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #98 on: January 19, 2021, 10:16:47 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 19, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
hah, heard last night while watching the Kansas/Baylor hoops game

Kentucky, UNC, and Duke all out of the poll, hasn't happened since 1961
That’s pretty amazing 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #99 on: January 20, 2021, 07:06:48 AM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on January 19, 2021, 05:34:57 PM
interesting (and terrible, imo, lol) idea, but does it really solve the issue much? seems like it'd just spread out the wealth to the top 20-ish instead of top 5-ish.

Yup that was the goal. to have 20~ish teams with a legit shot, and to spread around the nation who those teams were. We theorized that it's easier to break into the top 20, than it is to break into the top 4. 

Concerning "Hard Facts" Every Pro Sports team has caps in place to prevent the big spenders from running to far ahead of the pack. We can't kid ourselves NCAA Football is a pro sport. At some point caps will get included to try and slow 'bama/OSU/Clemson's down. But yes if you want to play with the big boys you will need to spend like the big boys. 

And another tangent for OSU fans, be careful for what regulations you wish on Alabama, because those same changes will definitely apply to the Buckeyes as well. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2021, 08:39:08 AM »
Quote from: bamajoe on January 19, 2021, 08:58:46 PM
There are a couple cold hard facts that won't be popular in this participation trophy like thread. Number 1, Alabama will not stop being Bama when Saban retires. Despite periodic lulls Bama has been a consistent winner since winning the 1926 Rose Bowl and has done so under Wallace Wade, Frank Thomas, Paul Bryant, Gene Stallings and Nick Saban. So don't get your hopes up.
I'm hoping for Mike Shula. :)
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #101 on: January 20, 2021, 08:46:24 AM »
someday Bama will have the wrong coach and the program will slide and some will find it amazing that it happened
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« Reply #102 on: January 20, 2021, 08:53:59 AM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on January 20, 2021, 07:06:48 AM
Yup that was the goal. to have 20~ish teams with a legit shot, and to spread around the nation who those teams were. We theorized that it's easier to break into the top 20, than it is to break into the top 4.

Concerning "Hard Facts" Every Pro Sports team has caps in place to prevent the big spenders from running to far ahead of the pack. We can't kid ourselves NCAA Football is a pro sport. At some point caps will get included to try and slow 'bama/OSU/Clemson's down. But yes if you want to play with the big boys you will need to spend like the big boys.

And another tangent for OSU fans, be careful for what regulations you wish on Alabama, because those same changes will definitely apply to the Buckeyes as well.
I think a much more slight-yet-similar idea could happen - something like a rolling 5-year win% influencing a program's scholarship limit.  From year to year, the better you are, you may forfeit 1-3 scholarships and the worse you are, you may gain 1-3.  This wouldn't be damning for the great programs, but at least it would be something.  And the best programs would continue on, without skipping a beat.  Yet it would promote more variety.

If Ohio State averages over an .800 win% for the past 5 years, maybe they lose 3 scholarships that next year (82 limit) and would stay at 82 until their 5-year win% dropped below .800.  It may be a lot of work keeping track of all that for a small payoff, but at least it'd be something.

*and the lost scholarships could be given to another sport or something, if there are no boundaries preventing that
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« Reply #103 on: January 20, 2021, 10:23:54 AM »
Something else not mentioned that would help the up-start programs much more so than the larger ones but be applied to all equally-increase the NCAA limit to play to 5 years.  Most of the big boy programs top players will either leave in their Junior year or when they have exhausted eligibility.  Very few of the truly talented NFL'rs will stay past their 4th year.  There are lots and lots of players at the underdog programs that will never sniff the NFL.  Adding that 5th year would change the game for them, and since it applied to all programs equally there is really no "penalty" for somebody else.  College, IMO is really a 5 year endeavor so that should reflect the eligibility rules.  I realize that plenty of folks do it in 4 years and under but in today's world they are entering college with 20+ credit hours from dual credit courses and many are taking summer school as well.  

Reflecting on the NFL salary cap and other measures listed above it still comes down to coaching and a handful of talented players, mostly the QB.  
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #104 on: January 20, 2021, 10:37:49 AM »
Maybe some more robust admission standards. The current "standards" at some schools are laughable.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #105 on: January 20, 2021, 10:45:59 AM »
yes, keep those kids that don't do well in high school out of the system and limit their opportunities 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #106 on: January 20, 2021, 10:56:47 AM »
Or maybe give them more incentive to do well in HS and expand their opportunities.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #107 on: January 20, 2021, 10:58:46 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2021, 10:56:47 AM
Or maybe give them more incentive to do well in HS and expand their opportunities.
Ehh. This is ... not so real in practice, at least in my Tangental experiences with high school ball. 
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #108 on: January 20, 2021, 11:06:00 AM »
There is no reason why it should not be real in practice. We spend more on education (pensions) per child than almost every other country, and get bad performance. This needs to change.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #109 on: January 20, 2021, 11:43:04 AM »
A lot of things NEED to change, but in my lifetime, few have for the better except those driven by the profit motive.

TVs are a lot better today, duh.  And cheaper.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #110 on: January 20, 2021, 11:47:15 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 20, 2021, 10:45:59 AM
yes, keep those kids that don't do well in high school out of the system and limit their opportunities
College was never meant to be a vocational school and it serves VERY poorly in that function.

We need to change the expectation that every child must go to college.  We need to start branching people into vocations at a younger age and remove the stigmas associated with that.  Many European countries do this quite successfully.

We also need to reform the skyrocketing tuition costs and the financial institutions and models in place that enable them, but that's a completely different problem.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #111 on: January 20, 2021, 11:53:19 AM »
I've mentioned before that in addition to spending more on K-12 per student than any other larger country, we also send far more grad to college.

In Europe, college is attended by under 40% of HS grads, here it's nearly 70%.  It may be our egalitarian instincts misled us.

In Europe, you also take courses directly related to your major, if you major in chemistry, you don't take English and social studies and history in college, it's chemistry only and perhaps some physics and math.  So, their students are far more focused than ours.  They were supposed to have learned history in HS.

College is a remedial program for many who are admitted to learn, or try, what they didn't in HS.

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