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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #266 on: January 26, 2021, 12:19:03 PM »
not all obviously

my $600 went into the Vette savings account

hopefully will go into the economy this spring after the snow melts
Mine will go into a sno-blower fund,as mine is 40yrs old but been rebuilt
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #267 on: January 26, 2021, 12:40:12 PM »
will go?

you don't have it yet?
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #268 on: January 26, 2021, 12:48:24 PM »
Somebody here won a lottery prize of $250 K, which is nice, AND a new C8 Corvette.

And the state can't find a Corvette to purchase.

The few I see on line are $70 K MSRPs with $95 K asking prices.  Maybe the lottery can't pay over MSRP?


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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #269 on: January 26, 2021, 01:13:24 PM »
disc jockey was talking about that story

Biden needs to help GM roll out more Vettes faster!!!
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #270 on: January 26, 2021, 01:42:01 PM »
I haven't figured out how to complain about not being eligible for the stimulus without it sounding like a humblebrag. So I generally just shut my mouth when I'm around people talking about their stimulus checks.
I solve this problem by not talking at all about whatever I might do with $600. I’m not even at that income level, but after big raises, I’ve never been like “finally, with the extra money, THIS is my extravagance.”

Like, $600 isn’t THAT much extra, unless you’re in a real tight spot. And then it’s just sorta uncomfortable. In my first job, I took home $800 a pay period and wasn’t making a lot at all. Because the $600 is from a different source doesn’t make it any more magic that the more than $600 that drops into most folks’ bank accounts every few weeks. (And from the sounds of it, a lot more is dropping in for a few of our fancier folks).

This is my TED talk as a fiscally-minded semi-young person.

(I did make vague salary intimations after taking a new job recently, i.e. saying the offer was too good to pass on.)

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #271 on: January 26, 2021, 01:49:09 PM »
Somebody here won a lottery prize of $250 K, which is nice, AND a new C8 Corvette.

And the state can't find a Corvette to purchase.

The few I see on line are $70 K MSRPs with $95 K asking prices.  Maybe the lottery can't pay over MSRP?


I saw that - it's made national click-bait news.
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #272 on: January 26, 2021, 01:50:35 PM »
I don't remember saying people didn't appreciate free money, lol.  But isn't it akin to feeding a stray cat once?  You're just delaying the inevitable.  
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #273 on: January 26, 2021, 02:03:09 PM »
My kids both took 5% pay cuts due to the pandemic's impact on their companies.  I offered to make it up for them and they said not to worry it wasn't a problem.

I sent them some money for Christmas and one told me he donated it to a charity for the homeless.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #274 on: January 26, 2021, 02:15:35 PM »
I gave both daughters money for Xmas.  More than $600.

They appreciated the effort

They both purchased used cars in the past month or two - that's what the gifts went towards
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« Reply #275 on: January 26, 2021, 04:02:44 PM »
The 'cut a check' idea is stupid and $600 is not enough, whether for an individual or a small business.  It's basically nothing, when given as a one-time act (or two-time act, spread out over 10 months).

Unless the gov't was going to give monthly checks, they shouldn't have bothered in the first place.  It's just taking money and throwing it the trash can.
I have a very Keynesian idea related to this that I've been kicking around in my head for a number of years.  Someday when I get into Congress I'll propose it, LoL.  

Background:
Social Security and Medicare are both operating at significant deficits.  Some people think that there is a "reserve" saved up and in theory there is but in practice there isn't.  When Social Security was implemented in the 1930's they immediately began to pay benefits to age-qualified individuals even though those individuals (born pre-1870) had never paid anything into the system because it didn't exist when they were working.  The idea was to get older people to retire so that younger people (who had families to support) could get those jobs.  

The obvious problem was (and still is) that the Social Security taxes charged to workers in the 1930's went to pay benefits in the 1930's, not into some double-secret trust fund.  

That said, for many years the system (and medicare) did collect more than they paid out and the surplus was theoretically "saved".  It wasn't really saved though.  Instead, the surplus was "invested" in Federal Treasury obligations.  Ie, the Federal Government used the excess on other things they wanted to spend money on and wrote "IOU" on a slip of paper.  The Social Security (and medicare) trust funds are nothing more than a bunch of IOU's from the Federal Government.  

The equivalent for an individual would be if @FearlessF took the money out of his "Vette Fund" and used it for vacations and meals out while putting IOU's to himself in a box.  Then when he had enough IOU's saved up to buy the Vette . . .  Well, he couldn't buy the Vette because he wouldn't actually have the money.  All he would have is a bunch of IOU's from himself to himself.  

Bottom line, the Social Security and Medicare Tax Rates are going to have to be increased at some point.  The huge group of baby-boomers (born 1946-1964) started to turn 65 back in 2011 and at this point the boomers are all 56-75.  Ie, they are all either already eligible for Social Security and Medicare or they will be soon.  

When the rates are eventually increased, my proposal would be to make the rate automatically adjust based on the growth in the economy.  I would pick an actuarially appropriate rate then have it adjust as follows:
  • +3% if the economy grew by more than 4% in the previous quarter
  • +2% if the economy grew by more than 3.5% in the previous quarter
  • +1% if the economy grew by more than 3% in the previous quarter 
  • +0.5% if the economy grew by more than 2.5% in the previous quarter
  • even if the economy grew by between 1.5% and 2.5% in the previous quarter.  
  • -0.5% if the economy grew by less than 1.5% in the previous quarter.  
  • -1% if the economy grew by less than 1% in the previous quarter.  
  • -2% if the economy grew by less than 0.5% in the previous quarter.  
  • -3% if the economy shrunk had negative growth in the previous quarter.  

The current rate is a total of 15.3% (12.4% for Social Security and 2.9% for Medicare).  Self-employed individuals pay the whole thing, for everyone else it is split 50/50 between employer and employee.  I would apply my automatic adjustments to both the employee share and the employer share (doubled for self-employed individuals) so that it would impact both companies and individuals.  Ie, based on the current rate it would work as follows:
  • 10.65%/21.3% if the economy grew by more than 4% in the previous quarter.  
  • 9.65%/19.3% if the economy grew by more than 3.5% in the previous quarter.  
  • 8.65%/17.3% if the economy grew by more than 3% in the previous quarter.  
  • 8.15%/16.3% if the economy grew by more than 2.5% in the previous quarter.  
  • 7.65%/15.3% if the economy grew by between 1.5% and 2.5% in the previous quarter.  
  • 7.15%/14.3% if the economy grew by less than 1.5% in the previous quarter.  
  • 6.65%/13.3% if the economy grew by less than 1% in the previous quarter.  
  • 5.65%/11.3% if the economy grew by less than 0.5% in the previous quarter.  
  • 4.65%/9.3% if the economy had negative growth in the previous quarter.  

Functionally:
  • When the economy was growing 4% employees would get a 3% paycut, employers would get a 3% increase in employment costs, and self employed individuals would take an 6% hit.  
  • When the economy was growing 3.5-4% employees would get a 2% paycut, employers would get a 2% increase in employment costs, and self employed individuals would take a 4% hit.  
  • When the economy was growing 3-3.5% employees would get a 1% paycut, employers would get a 1% increase in employment costs, and self employed individuals would take a 2% hit.  
  • When the economy was growing 2.5-3% employees would take a 0.5% paycut, employers would get a 0.5% increase in employment costs, and self employed individuals would take a 1% hit.  
  • When the economy was growing 1.5-2.5% there would be no bonus or hit.  
  • When the economy was growing 1-1.5% employees would get a 0.5% raise, employers would get a 0.5% decrease in employment costs, and self employed individuals would get a 1% bonus.  
  • When the economy was growing 0.5-1% employees would get a 1% raise, employers would get a 1% decrease in employment costs, and self employed individuals would get a 2% bonus.  
  • When the economy was growing 0-0.5% employees would get a 2% raise, employers would get a 2% decrease in employment costs, and self employed individuals would get a 4% bonus.  
  • When the economy was shrinking employees would get a 3% raise, employers would get a 3% decrease in employment costs, and self employed individuals would get a 6% bonus.  


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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #276 on: January 26, 2021, 04:12:34 PM »
Having been self-employed for 20+ years, I have a lot to say about this.

One thing I don't like is that the government is going to need the private sector to bail them out for years of poor policy.

Why is that on the private sector, especially those who are self-employed?
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #277 on: January 26, 2021, 04:18:29 PM »
Why do you rob banks?

It's where the money is.

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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #278 on: January 26, 2021, 04:32:02 PM »
IOUs = stealing
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Re: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
« Reply #279 on: January 26, 2021, 04:47:49 PM »
I have IOUs every time I deposit money at a bank.

Or my broker, who from time to time has made me just that.

 

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