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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #434 on: January 02, 2018, 11:56:55 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on January 02, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
I don't think it will be THAT low rated.  When the BCS put Bama/LSU in I did not watch.  I just didn't care because I thought it was ridiculous.  
This time Bama and UGA earned their way in.  I want to see who wins.  
I'll watch it because come May I'll wonder why I ever even debated not watching the final college football game of the year.
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #435 on: January 02, 2018, 11:58:44 AM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on January 02, 2018, 09:12:27 AM
I love reading these threads after games.

Gonna go take a shower and wash the salt off now.

Happy new year everyone.
Happy New Year and good luck to your team.  
FWIW:  I'm not salty.  I completely understand why my team got left out.  You don't have much to complain about when you lose to a mediocre team by 31 points.  My only gripe is that dumb-a$$ comment that the committee made heading into the CG's about #5 (Bama) through #8 (Ohio State) being very close (or something to that effect).  
You said yourself after that comment was made that you thought Bama was out unless TCU knocked off Oklahoma.  If that comment had been true then #8's win over #4 and associated Conference Championship while #5 sat at home watching CG's on TV should OBVIOUSLY have elevated #8 above #5.  
Everybody knows this already but, CG's:
  • Clemson beat #7 Miami in the ACCCG
  • Auburn lost to #6 UGA in the SECCG
  • Oklahoma beat #11 TCU in the B12CG
  • Wisconsin lost to #8 tOSU in the B1GCG
  • Bama - sat at home with nothing to do
  • Georgia beat #2 Auburn in the SECCG
  • Miami lost to #1 Clemson in the ACCCG
  • Ohio State beat #4 UW in the B1GCG
Based on the statement that there was very little separation between #5 and #8 prior to the CG's it is OBVIOUS that the post CG rankings should have been:
  • Clemson
  • Oklahoma
  • Georgia
  • Ohio State
Again, I don't mind that Ohio State didn't get in.  I'm ok with that.  What infuriates me is that they made that obviously false statement.  What bothers me even more is that the favorites won all the CG's so they should have seen this coming.  Why lie when you are EXTREMELY likely to be exposed for it less than a week later?
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #436 on: January 02, 2018, 12:01:01 PM »
I enjoyed the playoff games yesterday.

I will also be watching next Monday evening.  I'll be rooting for the Dawgs

I may be on the road to Texas and miss part of the first half.  If the Sooners were playing Bama I'd probably try harder to see the entire game.

This is what you get with a playoff.  Ya get a team like Bama winning the trophy when their reg. season effort wasn't deserving.  The wildcard out of the SEC gets a trophy and makes the conference another heaping pile of $$$.

will only get worse if the playoff is expanded to 6 or 8.

I'd have rather given UCF a chance, but UCF was no more deserving than Bama, or tOSU, or Wisconsin, or USC
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #437 on: January 02, 2018, 12:13:10 PM »

After Bama wins the NCG, Georgia fans are gonna be all like...





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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #438 on: January 02, 2018, 12:17:52 PM »
Nah. That's for the msu and OM and K-Y fans to chant.

Bama is gonna win. They are the best team today.
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #439 on: January 02, 2018, 12:19:03 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 02, 2018, 12:01:01 PM
I enjoyed the playoff games yesterday.

I will also be watching next Monday evening.  I'll be rooting for the Dawgs

I may be on the road to Texas and miss part of the first half.  If the Sooners were playing Bama I'd probably try harder to see the entire game.

This is what you get with a playoff.  Ya get a team like Bama winning the trophy when their reg. season effort wasn't deserving.  The wildcard out of the SEC gets a trophy and makes the conference another heaping pile of $$$.

will only get worse if the playoff is expanded to 6 or 8.

I'd have rather given UCF a chance, but UCF was no more deserving than Bama, or tOSU, or Wisconsin, or USC
At least UCF beat Auburn. :57:
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #440 on: January 02, 2018, 12:22:16 PM »
If Bama didn't deserve to get in, then who did?  UCF?  Ohio State? 

I mean, there's going to be a ton of bitching regardless who got that 4th spot.  I'm sure they gave Ohio State plenty of consideration and the choice was probably really close, but it just came down to the "eye test".  OSU had the tougher schedule, but didn't look good in either of its losses.  Bama's schedule was lighter, and looked very average in the second half of the season, but all comes down to this: 2 > 1.  If the selection committee could help it, they won't ever select a 2-loss team as long as there's a sufficient number of undefeated and one-loss teams from the P5 pool.  They may even pick an unbeaten G5 team over a 2-loss P5 team if the G5 team is A) dominant and B) has beaten multiple P5 teams in the regular season.
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #441 on: January 02, 2018, 12:26:37 PM »
Yup, an 8-team playoff would yield 3-4 SEC teams most years.  Then you all would bitch about that....the never-ending cycle.  Yeesh.  

Some truths:
Wisconsin was never highly thought of....which made OSU's win over them kind of 'meh'
Alabama was ranked 5th and two teams above them lost.  Why is UGA leapfrogging them being ignored?
Alabama was #1 all year and blew out #3 FSU when they were at full strength.

The committee has already included a non-conference champ before, why is this time so damning?
We can include preseason polls or not, but before the season started (or in late OCT, same difference), Alabama was viewed as the best team.  They 'proved' that with their win vs FSU.  

As with anytime the #1 team loses, they move down the rankings.  However, as with any #1 team losing, they then start moving back up to their 'default' position.  Regression to the mean for the #1 team is back up towards #1 (unless they lose).  Believe it or not, this isn't all that much about Alabama at all.  Say USC was number one and lost on OCT 1.  They'd drop down some, but then what?  Would a bunch of teams start leap-frogging them?  No.  They were highly thought of (as per their #1 ranking), and would start moving up gradually as other teams lost.  

The fact that we're talking about the end of the regular season and the fact that big, bad Alabama is from the evil SEC is why it's such a chore.  I wish I could say I'm surprised.  
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #442 on: January 02, 2018, 12:27:15 PM »
It doesn't seem to bother any of you for being so predictable and small.
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #443 on: January 02, 2018, 12:37:31 PM »
Quote from: fezzador on January 02, 2018, 12:22:16 PM
If Bama didn't deserve to get in, then who did?  UCF?  Ohio State?  

I mean, there's going to be a ton of bitching regardless who got that 4th spot.  
agreed - the issue is that UCF, Ohio St., USC, or Bama - none of them deserved to be included, but it's a 4-team playoff, so they had to pick an undeserving team.  That team happened to be Bama this season
there will always be bitching about the last team in or the last team out, regardless of number of spots in the playoff.  Basketball teams bitch about more than 64 teams.
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #444 on: January 02, 2018, 12:38:24 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2018, 12:26:37 PM
Yup, an 8-team playoff would yield 3-4 SEC teams most years.  Then you all would bitch about that....the never-ending cycle.  Yeesh.  

Some truths:
Wisconsin was never highly thought of....which made OSU's win over them kind of 'meh'
Alabama was ranked 5th and two teams above them lost.  Why is UGA leapfrogging them being ignored?
Alabama was #1 all year and blew out #3 FSU when they were at full strength.

The committee has already included a non-conference champ before, why is this time so damning?
We can include preseason polls or not, but before the season started (or in late OCT, same difference), Alabama was viewed as the best team.  They 'proved' that with their win vs FSU.  

As with anytime the #1 team loses, they move down the rankings.  However, as with any #1 team losing, they then start moving back up to their 'default' position.  Regression to the mean for the #1 team is back up towards #1 (unless they lose).  Believe it or not, this isn't all that much about Alabama at all.  Say USC was number one and lost on OCT 1.  They'd drop down some, but then what?  Would a bunch of teams start leap-frogging them?  No.  They were highly thought of (as per their #1 ranking), and would start moving up gradually as other teams lost.  

The fact that we're talking about the end of the regular season and the fact that big, bad Alabama is from the evil SEC is why it's such a chore.  I wish I could say I'm surprised.  
The fairest way to do it is have a 6-team playoff - each Power 5 conference champ and 1 at-large.  Most years it will probably be a one-loss runner-up P5 team or Notre Dame, but based on UCF's performance in the Peach Bowl, maybe an unbeaten G5 team could sneak in every now and then.
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #445 on: January 02, 2018, 12:38:50 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2018, 12:27:15 PM
It doesn't seem to bother any of you for being so predictable and small.
would it bother you less if I was unpredictable and large?
I can post in huge fonts
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #446 on: January 02, 2018, 12:40:32 PM »
Quote from: fezzador on January 02, 2018, 12:38:24 PM
The fairest way to do it is have a 6-team playoff - each Power 5 conference champ and 1 at-large.  
what's fair about the 1 at large?
that's what Bama was this season - at large non-con champ
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Re: Bowl Games SoC
« Reply #447 on: January 02, 2018, 12:46:22 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 02, 2018, 12:40:32 PM
what's fair about the 1 at large?
that's what Bama was this season - at large non-con champ
It's fair because at least all power conferences are represented.  If they lose, hey, at least they had the chance to compete for the natty.  Sort of like "well my candidate didn't win, but at least I voted"
And 6 is a much less awkward number than 5 for a playoff.  I guess they can put Notre Dame in the playoff every year and the whole country can watch them get soundly beaten year-in, year-out until they man up and join a conference.
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