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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #700 on: January 02, 2019, 07:01:15 PM »
Auburn had the double-whammy last year of being a letdown team playing an unsexy opponent.  Hell, I should've bet money on the game.  




Think:  Kansas State, 1998
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #701 on: January 02, 2019, 07:19:05 PM »
The usual schedule the top teams play as well all know is:

3 pastries
6 half decent teams that will be 5-7 to 7-5/8-4
3 pretty good teams  9-3/11-1

There are exceptions of course.  So, any bowl team a top level team plays is going to be in the latter category.

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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #702 on: January 02, 2019, 07:53:15 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 02, 2019, 07:19:05 PM
The usual schedule the top teams play as well all know is:

3 pastries
6 half decent teams that will be 5-7 to 7-5/8-4
3 pretty good teams  9-3/11-1

There are exceptions of course.  So, any bowl team a top level team plays is going to be in the latter category.


Not UCF.....
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #703 on: January 02, 2019, 08:31:57 PM »
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #704 on: January 02, 2019, 08:53:41 PM »
Sure.  
And sometimes the letdown team wins, like Florida in 2009 (albeit vs a Cincinnati team you could argue was part of a P5-type conference, but was not a P5-type team).



What was that year USC lost to UCLA like 14-9, let me look them up.
That was 2006, ranked #2, lost to UCLA 13-9, but beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, however....
Michigan fits the bill, as they were in line for the BCS spot, but lost to OSU.  So someone in that Rose Bowl was going to be the "letdown" team and end the year with 2 losses after having the national championship in their grasp.
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #705 on: January 02, 2019, 10:18:35 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2019, 08:53:41 PM
Sure.  
And sometimes the letdown team wins, like Florida in 2009 (albeit vs a Cincinnati team you could argue was part of a P5-type conference, but was not a P5-type team).



What was that year USC lost to UCLA like 14-9, let me look them up.
That was 2006, ranked #2, lost to UCLA 13-9, but beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, however....
Michigan fits the bill, as they were in line for the BCS spot, but lost to OSU.  So someone in that Rose Bowl was going to be the "letdown" team and end the year with 2 losses after having the national championship in their grasp.
I actually think Florida was the more motivated team in 2009.  Meyer had announced he was leaving before the game and UF wanted to send him out on a high note.  Besides that, Cincinnati was just as close to making the BCS title game that year as UF was.  If Texas misses that FG against Nebraska UC is playing Bama in BCS title game.
And then Brian Kelly took the ND job and didn’t coach them in the bowl game which I think kind of deflated them too.  I always viewed that game as the perfect storm of horror for UC.  Not only were they the inferior team but they came in less motivated than Florida.  It showed in the results.
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #706 on: January 02, 2019, 10:47:30 PM »
...... and kelly left behind butch jones, who played derrick dooley as the head coach of tennessee and lost- leaving me thinking "dooley actually out coached another coach and team; i'll be damned" just for tennessee to fire dooley and hire jones the year following... what a shame... i can't recall the details from all the good days, but recall all the bad.  

damn it.... this place sucks.  
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #707 on: January 03, 2019, 12:16:38 AM »
Can I play the sometimes the letdown team wins game?   I'm just winging this from memory of old pre-game 'letdown' fodder.
1986 Oklahoma   42-8 over Arkansas in Orange (lost to Miami and was a spectator to PSU v Miami)
1996 Nebraska 41-21 over VaTech in Orange (crushing defeat to UT in first XII CCG, cost chance at 3 MNCs in a row)
1999 Nebraska 31-21 over Tenn in Fiesta (one loss, ahead of #2 VT in some metrics, not in BCS title game)
2000 Nebraska 66-17 over NW in Alamo (close one point loss at KSU bumped them out of XII CCG and down to Alamo)
1988 Miami 23-3 over N in Orange (ND beat WVA in Fiesta for title, Miami 'wuz robbed at ND'.
1990 Miami 46-3 over Texas in Cotton  (we all like bringing up this one, Randall Hill running with cheetahs)
2000 Miami 37-20 over Florida in Sugar  (no explanation needed, they beat FSU, FSU got nod to score 2 pts vs OU)
2008 Texas 24-21 over Ohio St. in Fiesta (OU loses to UT, UT lost to TT, OU finished ahead of UT, goes to BCS title)
2010 Alabama 49-7 over MSU in Citrus (Fla beat Bama in CCG)

we get it, I get it, let downs happen, but there's as much evidence to present to demonstrate that it can be managed.
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #708 on: January 03, 2019, 12:38:53 AM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on January 03, 2019, 12:16:38 AM
Can I play the sometimes the letdown team wins game?   I'm just winging this from memory of old pre-game 'letdown' fodder.
1986 Oklahoma   42-8 over Arkansas in Orange (lost to Miami and was a spectator to PSU v Miami)
1996 Nebraska 41-21 over VaTech in Orange (crushing defeat to UT in first XII CCG, cost chance at 3 MNCs in a row)
1999 Nebraska 31-21 over Tenn in Fiesta (one loss, ahead of #2 VT in some metrics, not in BCS title game)
2000 Nebraska 66-17 over NW in Alamo (close one point loss at KSU bumped them out of XII CCG and down to Alamo)
1988 Miami 23-3 over N in Orange (ND beat WVA in Fiesta for title, Miami 'wuz robbed at ND'.
1990 Miami 46-3 over Texas in Cotton  (we all like bringing up this one, Randall Hill running with cheetahs)
2000 Miami 37-20 over Florida in Sugar  (no explanation needed, they beat FSU, FSU got nod to score 2 pts vs OU)
2008 Texas 24-21 over Ohio St. in Fiesta (OU loses to UT, UT lost to TT, OU finished ahead of UT, goes to BCS title)
2010 Alabama 49-7 over MSU in Citrus (Fla beat Bama in CCG)

we get it, I get it, let downs happen, but there's as much evidence to present to demonstrate that it can be managed.

I can't help but think you haven't read what I've posted about this.  
In 1986, OU lost to Miami in September.  The "letdown" effect only comes into play when a team loses its last game of the season (pre-bowl) when if they had won it, they'd be in the playoff/NCG, etc.
Sigh.
Your "conclusion" is incorrect because it's based on BS.
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #709 on: January 03, 2019, 12:44:37 AM »
96 Nebraska is not applicable, they were #3.  99 UNL is not.  Neither is 2000 UNL.  88 Miami doesn't apply, 90 Miami doesn't, 2000 Miami lost its 2nd game of the year, so that has nothing to do with this, either.  
Christ, man.  08 Texas is wrong as well, and 2010 Alabama you just made up or are terribly confused.  
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #710 on: January 03, 2019, 06:05:55 AM »
2007- WVU over Oklahoma in the Fiesta.  You won’t find a bigger letdown team that won its game than 2007 WVU.  Lost its last regular season game to a 28 point underdog Pitt team to play its way out of the BCS National Title.  Then, Rich Rodriguez bolts for Michigan a few days later.

Those were some dark days man.  Some dark days indeed.

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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #711 on: January 03, 2019, 07:29:27 AM »
The Badgers won a bowl game after losing to OSU (and losing its spot in the playoff) in the CCG just one year ago. It's all about mindset and preparation.
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #712 on: January 03, 2019, 07:36:37 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
I consider Georgia to be a semi-helmet, plus they enjoy the current SEC Alabama halo effect.  
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Re: Bowl Games SOC
« Reply #713 on: January 03, 2019, 07:48:06 AM »
I found it really fun to watch the Miami players huddled around the sideline heaters last week, while the UW players were huddled around each other and their coaches.


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