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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2018, 04:21:12 PM »
Quote from: ELA on February 08, 2018, 03:41:02 PM
Even at that, I think MSU vs. MD/RU feels like the most forced permutation.
No doubt.  Especially because we've had a number of years now to get accustomed to MSU/PSU.  
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 08, 2018, 04:11:27 PM
Move PU East and MSU West.

I'll take MSU at year end and won't complain, unless it's on a Friday, of course.
That makes no sense for a host of reasons including:
  • It separates Michigan State from their instate rival which would necessitate another fixed cross-over.  
  • Wisconsin is one of a group of four western teams that make sense as rivals along with Iowa, Minnesota, and Nebraska.  Creating an MSU/UW "rivalry" at the end of the year leaves an odd number of teams in that group so somebody gets left out and who do they play?  
  • Re #2, it is worse than that because it has to be a B1G-E team because every other team is already spoken for (UW/MSU, IU/PU, IL/NU, tOSU/M, UMD/RU).  What is left over is Penn State, Iowa, Minnesota, and Nebraska.  
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2018, 05:48:00 PM »
so.. Penn State-Nebraska and Minnie-Iowa.

Two fixed crossovers won't matter to the fans of M, UNL, PSU or MSU. They like those games.
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2018, 06:25:03 PM »
Nebraska-Iowa on Black Friday

playing Penn St every season in a fixed crossover would also be a good tradition to get started - any other week of the season
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2018, 10:26:11 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 08, 2018, 06:25:03 PM
Nebraska-Iowa on Black Friday

playing Penn St every season in a fixed crossover would also be a good tradition to get started - any other week of the season
Fixed cross-overs:
Illinois-Rutgers
Wisconsin-Michigan
Northwestern - MSU
Nebraska-Ohio St
Iowa-Penn St
Minnesota-Maryland
Indiana-Purdue
I would prefer Iowa's cross-over be Michigan. It is geographically closer, and feels like more of a rivalry because it has been more frequently played.
Nebraska can have Penn St as its fixed-crossover.
Wouldn't Wisconsin fans enjoy tangling with Ohio St more than Michigan? There have been some good Wisconsin-Ohio St games over the past few decades.
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2018, 12:22:30 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on February 08, 2018, 10:26:11 PM
Fixed cross-overs:
Illinois-Rutgers
Wisconsin-Michigan
Northwestern - MSU
Nebraska-Ohio St
Iowa-Penn St
Minnesota-Maryland
Indiana-Purdue
Indiana-Purdue seems to make sense
hey, they got one right
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2018, 07:34:16 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on February 08, 2018, 10:26:11 PM
Wouldn't Wisconsin fans enjoy tangling with Ohio St more than Michigan? 

No question about it. Yes.
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2018, 09:01:37 AM »
Ok so I think this could work for fixed cross-overs

OSU-Wisc
 (consensus #1 vs. Consensus # 1)

PSU-Neb
 (2 traditionally strong programs that seem to want to play each other.)

MSU-Iowa
(You could argue both have been #2 in thier divisions since east-west was formed in 2014)

Mich-Minn
(Both have been competative but have never won a division)

MD-NW
(Both have potential to break through and win the division)

Rut-ILL
(2 bottom teams)

Indy-Pur
(For better or worse, they are bond to each other)
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2018, 09:35:50 AM »
Personally I don't think there should be any fixed crossovers because it limits the games with the rest of the teams in the other division.  

I'm ok with making an exception for IU/PU because that is an instate rivalry and I think it should be played every year.  Also, I *REALLY* don't like the idea of a possibility of two teams meeting the last weekend then meeting again a week later in the B1GCG so I thought it was stupid to have Ohio State and Michigan in opposite divisions and still playing the last weekend back when we had Legends and Leaders.  Fortunately Michigan made it irrelevant by basically being irrelevant.  In the case of IU/PU it seems like the chances of not just one but both of them winning their divisions are minimal so who cares.  

With seven teams in a division and nine games each team plays three cross-divisional games per year.  The B1G-W teams have less opportunities to play IU and the B1G-E teams have less opportunities to play PU due to their fixed cross-over but otherwise there is still a decent number of games against the rest of the opposite division.  

If you introduce a fixed cross-over then each team plays seven teams every year (the six in their division and their fixed cross-over) then plays the other six teams in the opposite division only an average of once every three years.  
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2018, 09:58:37 AM »
If OSU can't have Nebraska as the fixed crossover, then I'd prefer to do the whole Illibuck thing as the plan B. 
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2018, 10:01:15 AM »
we have beaten this long since dead horse many times

I agree that fixed cross overs limit other cross over conference meetings - I'm fine without

It's just that part of the greatness of college football has been traditional rivalries that occur when playing each and every season.  This really should be encouraged.  I'm not sure why the leaders of the conferences AND the networks can't see that there is more $$$ not less if annual rivalry games are created.

If non-con games are NOT going to be rivalry type games such as Iowa-Iowa St and Penn St-Pitt and Sooners-Huskers, then play 10 or 11 conference games.

Hey, we all understand it's about the $$$ and better content is worth more $$$
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2018, 10:02:10 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on February 09, 2018, 09:58:37 AM
If OSU can't have Nebraska as the fixed crossover, then I'd prefer to do the whole Illibuck thing as the plan B.
you are just sweet on the farm girls from Nebraska
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2018, 11:11:54 AM »
I like the fixed crossovers...  But I'd use it for the BIG to own the 3rd week in September.    But maybe that's why I'm not in charge.   =)
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2018, 11:13:20 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on February 09, 2018, 09:35:50 AM
Personally I don't think there should be any fixed crossovers because it limits the games with the rest of the teams in the other division.  
10 conference games goes a long way to fix a lot of things, and so does going back to 11 schools.
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Re: Black Friday Football Scheduling
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2018, 11:14:14 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on February 09, 2018, 09:58:37 AM
If OSU can't have Nebraska as the fixed crossover, then I'd prefer to do the whole Illibuck thing as the plan B.
The Bucks don't need any more guaranteed wins on the schedule.
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