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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Hawkinole on February 02, 2018, 02:21:28 AM
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Iowa's AD wants the Iowa-Wisconsin series to occur on Black Friday, (or if Iowa should ever close the season with Nebraska, that too -- Iowa is the new Nebraska).
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/2018/02/01/gary-barta-hoping-black-friday-finale-wisconsin-discusses-taxes-and-kinnick-renovation-progress/1087128001/
There was trepidation on Ferentz's part the first year or two about a Friday game so I am guessing acclimation has alleviated trepidation. Kind of feeling it for Nebraska, tonight.
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the iron bowl was on black friday for a few seasons not long ago. it was awful.
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Black Friday games come with near certainty of an expanded audience - usually national. But, I usually work that day, and that usually excludes me.
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Black Friday games come with near certainty of an expanded audience - usually national. But, I usually work that day, and that usually excludes me.
I always saved a half day of vacation just for that game
and the boss is a Husker fan, so he understood
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Bill Moos has begun the conversation with the people who matter about the possibility of Iowa being Nebraska's permanent opponent for the Black Friday game.
"I have talked to both the Big Ten and to my counterpart at Iowa about the prospects of really starting to develop a true rivalry between our two schools," the Husker athletic director told Nebraska247 on Wednesday. "And especially in football, that game on an annual basis, whether at their place or ours, be on that Friday following Thanksgiving."
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The Big Ten just can't get out of it's own way on some of this stuff. Iowa-Nebraska on Black Friday made all the sense in the world. Just like having a Big Ten tournament in Indy or Chicago on the correct weekend. But hey, what do I know?
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well, Husker fans want a national black friday game vs a rival.
not a rotating schedule
so, if not the Hawkeyes for whatever reason, then Wisconsin or someone from the west each and every season to establish a tradition
if not a Big Ten west team, then get the Sooners or the Buffs to schedule a non-con game on that Friday - every season
done
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Agreed, they just need to lock in the schedule permanently for that final weekend.
Was MSU-PSU a "rivalry"? Meh. But it had been the season finale for 25 years now, so I had bought in. Maryland-Rutgers may get there too. But nothing is going to get there this way.
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It would be nice to have rivalry games on the last weekend with something on the line.
It's been a while for UW in that regard, even though the AXE is important. Maybe like a division title or something.
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It would be nice to have rivalry games on the last weekend with something on the line.
It's been a while for UW in that regard, even though the AXE is important. Maybe like a division title or something.
Wasn't that the case a couple years ago? I thought 2016 was for a division title.
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Black Friday games come with near certainty of an expanded audience - usually national. But, I usually work that day, and that usually excludes me.
This is my situation also. I almost always work that day but I can see the advantage. I like it as long as the game starts at 3:30 or later so that I can at least catch the second half.
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the 11am time slot is too early for me, but it happens
need to have the game worth something, then it gets the better afternoon slot
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Bill Moos has begun the conversation with the people who matter about the possibility of Iowa being Nebraska's permanent opponent for the Black Friday game.
"I have talked to both the Big Ten and to my counterpart at Iowa about the prospects of really starting to develop a true rivalry between our two schools," the Husker athletic director told Nebraska247 on Wednesday. "And especially in football, that game on an annual basis, whether at their place or ours, be on that Friday following Thanksgiving."
I see Wisconsin is on Iowa's schedule as the last game starting in 2020. Not sure if that is something that can or will change. Nebraska is scheduled against Minnesota that weekend. It would probably be easy to switch the schedule if that was deemed best by the conference, or the teams, as Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota are each traditional rivals and at least games between any of the three as the season finale would make sense. It is the interloper that puts a wrench in the equation.
I don't think Nebraska-Wisconsin would be as natural a rivalry as Nebraska-Minnesota, or Nebraska-Iowa might develop into. Nebraska has no tradition of having schedule Wisconsin historically.
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Wasn't that the case a couple years ago? I thought 2016 was for a division title.
Not on the last weekend. The Iowa and UNL games (both UW wins) were much earlier. UW finished 7-2 (UI and UNL were 6-3) and Minnie was 5-4 with no shot on the last weekend.
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Not on the last weekend. The Iowa and UNL games (both UW wins) were much earlier. UW finished 7-2 (UI and UNL were 6-3) and Minnie was 5-4 with no shot on the last weekend.
Was 2014. Wisconsin was 6-1, Minnesota was 5-2. If the Gophers won it would have been a two way tie at 6-2, with Minnesota getting the tiebreaker.
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Wasn't that the case a couple years ago? I thought 2016 was for a division title.
Yep, the OSU victory vs Michigan put Penn State in the charge of their own destiny. Beat MSU and they were going to the CCG.
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I see Wisconsin is on Iowa's schedule as the last game starting in 2020. Not sure if that is something that can or will change. Nebraska is scheduled against Minnesota that weekend. It would probably be easy to switch the schedule if that was deemed best by the conference, or the teams, as Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota are each traditional rivals and at least games between any of the three as the season finale would make sense. It is the interloper that puts a wrench in the equation.
I don't think Nebraska-Wisconsin would be as natural a rivalry as Nebraska-Minnesota, or Nebraska-Iowa might develop into. Nebraska has no tradition of having schedule Wisconsin historically.
There has never really been a "set" time for UW and Minnie to play, since the late 1970's or so. Before then it was the last game for a while but there is also a "history" of games in October (when I think it should be). In the 1980's it was MSU more than any other team if I remember right.
It wasn't until very recently that Minnie became the "locked" last game. Recent last games have been Iowa, Penn State, Northwestern and Minnie (not including CCG's, of course).
So, for UW, it's really been all over the place.
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Was 2014. Wisconsin was 6-1, Minnesota was 5-2. If the Gophers won it would have been a two way tie at 6-2, with Minnesota getting the tiebreaker.
So... let's just say it's rare. It would be nice for it to happen more often.
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So Wisconsin should lose more often, and stop clinching the B1G West by the end of October?
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Agreed, they just need to lock in the schedule permanently for that final weekend.
Was MSU-PSU a "rivalry"? Meh. But it had been the season finale for 25 years now, so I had bought in. Maryland-Rutgers may get there too. But nothing is going to get there this way.
PSU was UW's end game in 2012 and 2013, for some reason.
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So Wisconsin should lose more often, and stop clinching the B1G West by the end of October?
Nah.
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I see Wisconsin is on Iowa's schedule as the last game starting in 2020. Not sure if that is something that can or will change. Nebraska is scheduled against Minnesota that weekend. It would probably be easy to switch the schedule if that was deemed best by the conference, or the teams, as Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota are each traditional rivals and at least games between any of the three as the season finale would make sense. It is the interloper that puts a wrench in the equation.
I don't think Nebraska-Wisconsin would be as natural a rivalry as Nebraska-Minnesota, or Nebraska-Iowa might develop into. Nebraska has no tradition of having schedule Wisconsin historically.
it appears the Bill Moos is trying to chance it.
He understands that the Husker fans want to create another traditional rivalry game on the Friday after Thanksgiving
not a revolving schedule
I'm not sure he can get it done, but he's at least reporting to the fan base that he's trying.
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My idea for the B1G-W for Thanksgiving weekend:
Friday (day after Thanksgiving):
- Iowa vs Iowa State (rotating home and home)
- Nebraska vs Oklahoma (rotating home and home)
- Northwestern vs Illinois (in Chicago)
Saturday:
- Wisconsin vs Minnesota (rotating home and home)
- Purdue vs Indiana (rotating home and home although if they decided to play it in Indianapolis that would be fun too)
That way all four B1G-W western teams get a rivalry game on the last weekend and we spread the games out over Friday and Saturday.
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Just my opinion, but the final game of the regular season shouldn't be an OOC matchup.
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Just my opinion, but the final game of the regular season shouldn't be an OOC matchup.
I actually like those because we know what we are getting. There are several between the SEC and ACC that I can think of:
- Clemson/USCe
- UF/FSU
- UGA/GaTech
What I like about it is that, as I said, we know what we are getting. What I mean is that we know how good those teams are relative to their conferences. When Iowa/Iowa St play in early September we really don't know what we are seeing. Suppose Iowa barely wins, 21-20. Two (of many) possibilities:
- That is a great reflection on the B1G because Iowa is one of the worst teams in the B1G-W while Iowa State is one of the top teams in the B12, or
- That is a terrible reflection on the B1G because Iowa is the B1G-W Champion while Iowa State is one of the worst teams in the B12.
With the CyHawk game in early September, we don't know. When Clemson/USCe, UF/FSU, or UGA/GaTech play in late November we know exactly what we are getting. I like that better. I'd love to have Nebraska and Iowa play late season OOC rivalry games.
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Just my opinion, but the final game of the regular season shouldn't be an OOC matchup.
I wholeheartedly agree
BUT, if that's the ONLY way to get the Sooners on the Husker's schedule every season, I will make that sacrifice
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I disagree.
Particularly when it is a traditional Thanksgiving/End of Season Rivalry that has been split up by Conference realignment.
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My idea for the B1G-W for Thanksgiving weekend:
Friday (day after Thanksgiving):
- Iowa vs Iowa State (rotating home and home)
- Nebraska vs Oklahoma (rotating home and home)
- Northwestern vs Illinois (in Chicago)
Saturday:
- Wisconsin vs Minnesota (rotating home and home)
- Purdue vs Indiana (rotating home and home although if they decided to play it in Indianapolis that would be fun too)
That way all four B1G-W western teams get a rivalry game on the last weekend and we spread the games out over Friday and Saturday.
No like.
How about Michigan vs. Notre Dame on Friday and Ohio State vs. West Virginia on Saturday?
See?
Nah.
Just let it be Iowa/UNL on Friday and leave the rest alone.
Just need Minnie to get consistently good and all will be fine.
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Just let it be Iowa/UNL on Friday and leave the rest alone.
the Hawkeye AD just needs to get on board
and Big Jimmy Delaney just needs to get out of the way
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So Wisconsin should lose more often, and stop clinching the B1G West by the end of October?
Yes, and Iowa should win more and make that the last game.
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My idea for the B1G-W for Thanksgiving weekend:
Friday (day after Thanksgiving):
- Iowa vs Iowa State (rotating home and home)
- Nebraska vs Oklahoma (rotating home and home)
- Northwestern vs Illinois (in Chicago)
Saturday:
- Wisconsin vs Minnesota (rotating home and home)
- Purdue vs Indiana (rotating home and home although if they decided to play it in Indianapolis that would be fun too)
That way all four B1G-W western teams get a rivalry game on the last weekend and we spread the games out over Friday and Saturday.
But, Iowa State is not Iowa's rival. Doesn't work.
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Who's idea was it for Nebraska and Colorado to start playing on T+1? N or C?
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(https://mit.zenfs.com/214/2011/08/Iowa-Trio.jpg)
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Who's idea was it for Nebraska and Colorado to start playing on T+1? N or C?
DeLo$$ Dodds
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I would like to see the Iowa State series pared back to alternating years, or less. Iowa State replaced Notre Dame on the schedule. The Notre Dame series was more of a rivalry.
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I am guessing if you read between the lines, the Big Ten is negotiating to have a double header on Black Friday starting in 2020. Minnesota -Nebraska followed by Iowa-Wisconsin.
Then in future years, the double header will be the new tradition just the actual opponents in each game will rotate between Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Minnesota
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no need for the rotation
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CFB (TV contracts) is wearing on me.
Get
Off
My
Lawn
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hopefully, Delaney, Moos, Barta, and King Barry can get together and convince the network that a tradition will be worth more $$$ in the long run than a rotating schedule
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The Black Friday game for Nebraska actually predates 'N v CU'. Nebraska and OU did the Black Friday thing from 1990-95, and once the XII schedule interfered with annual N v OU tilts, CU became the Black Friday opponent.
Nebraska played OU 5 times on Thanksgiving Day (including the '71 GOTC), the balance of their regular season games were in Mid-late November between '50s-'89, save the biggest upset in the series, the '59 game when Nebraska broke OU's zillion game conference winning streak on Halloween.
It'd be nice to see Nebraska retain the game slot, with Iowa (preferred), but all of these ships have sailed at this point.
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it's the only ship that hasn't sailed in the 7 seasons the Huskers have been in the B1G
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I would like to see the Iowa State series pared back to alternating years, or less. Iowa State replaced Notre Dame on the schedule. The Notre Dame series was more of a rivalry.
I would like to see Iowa keep the Iowa State game every year. Instead I would like to see Iowa give up 1 home game once every 6 years, and then play a decent P5 OOC team once every 3 years.
2021 would be the idea year for Iowa to schedule the extra P5 OOC.
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The Black Friday game for Nebraska actually predates 'N v CU'. Nebraska and OU did the Black Friday thing from 1990-95, and once the XII schedule interfered with annual N v OU tilts, CU became the Black Friday opponent.
Nebraska played OU 5 times on Thanksgiving Day (including the '71 GOTC), the balance of their regular season games were in Mid-late November between '50s-'89, save the biggest upset in the series, the '59 game when Nebraska broke OU's zillion game conference winning streak on Halloween.
It'd be nice to see Nebraska retain the game slot, with Iowa (preferred), but all of these ships have sailed at this point.
I thought I remembered Nebraska-OU on T-Giving Day. With all this talk of Nebraska's traditional Black Friday game, I thought my decades old memory was wrong.
I don't care much which game Iowa plays the last week of the season as between Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Nebraska. The conference would be wise to stick with one and go with it. Little Pig's suggestion of a Black Friday double header in the Big Ten as a lead-up to Mich/Ohio St (which sorry people but not all of us get that hyped about it). The forces of evil vs. evil is not a good draw for outsiders. It could be any of the other Big Ten rivalries like Pudue-Indiana or Northwestern-Illinois, or Penn State-Maryland (can't believe I said that) for a Black Friday lineup.
Is it possible Iowa-Wisconsin was selected as the season finale for Wisconsin, with Iowa being the team most prone to scoring unexpected upsets? I would like to have known what they were thinking when they came up with this schedule for 2020 going forward.
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I would like to see Iowa keep the Iowa State game every year. Instead I would like to see Iowa give up 1 home game once every 6 years, and then play a decent P5 OOC team once every 3 years.
2021 would be the idea year for Iowa to schedule the extra P5 OOC.
I think it would add interest to the series if it were played less frequently, and would like to see Notre Dame brought in to replace Iowa State in years Iowa State isn't on the schedule. Notre Dame will not always be available. Air Force would make for a nice series. I could see traveling to Colorado Springs for a game.
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Given the series history with Iowa and Wisconsin (as close as it gets) and the way the games are played (bloodbaths), having it on the final weekend makes sense. Just not on a Friday. Leave that for someone else please.
I'm sick of Wisconsin getting screwed, like being stuck in an East division and losing the Iowa game as a result. That one still pisses me off, but I do take some solace in the fact that Delany's dream of having an M/OSU CCG never happened. To me, and most Badger fans, UW playing on Black Friday is a screw job.
Maybe Michigan and Ohio State can take one for the team and play he late game on Black Friday.
Northwestern and Nebraska can play the early game that day, for who gets to be called "NU" for the following year.
Wisconsin plays Iowa and Michigan State plays Penn State.
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if Barry and the Badgers don't like Black Friday, they can play the gooophers or Northwestern on Saturday
no problem, everyone's happy
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if Barry and the Badgers don't like Black Friday, they can play the gooophers or Northwestern on Saturday
no problem, everyone's happy
Meh. I'd rather see MSU take the spot for 6 years, and then PSU.
Just not on Friday. Put Minnie back to October, as it should be.
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So now we are breaking up the Land of Lincoln rivalry?
(https://yt3.ggpht.com/-H7Ofqi47o70/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/cTBdlRrGTMU/s900-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg)
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well, the reason and advantage to playing on that Friday is for national exposure. (recruiting)
I'd rather no other programs but Nebraska and their opponent play on that day.
I'm fine with all other Big teams playing on Saturday
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So now we are breaking up the Land of Lincoln rivalry?
(https://yt3.ggpht.com/-H7Ofqi47o70/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/cTBdlRrGTMU/s900-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg)
They don't really care all that much, to be honest. I think they would like a nice, sunny October day in Wiggles Field to bask in the glow and drink Bud Light.
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I saw this article today in The Gazette. It is undated, but I think it is very recent. Says Nebraska AD Bill Moos called Iowa's AD to ask if they could be Iowa's permanent Black Friday rival.
I think it is very strange how this was a Nebraska event, and suddenly Iowa seems to have stolen it out from under Nebraska.
What is interesting about the article is Iowa's AD said, "For a while, Nebraska said it didn’t want to play on Friday anymore. We still wanted to, both Kirk (Ferentz) and I.”
Reading between the lines it appears Nebraska was the impetus for the Iowa-Wisconsin game being scheduled to close out the season because Iowa still wanted to play on Black Friday and Nebraska didn't want that day anymore. So Iowa was given a new dance partner. And, I am guessing, although nothing says so, that the day of the event was to be worked out later with television.
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/for-iowa-its-black-friday-more-than-the-opponent-20180201
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well, the reason and advantage to playing on that Friday is for national exposure. (recruiting)
I'd rather no other programs but Nebraska and their opponent play on that day.
I'm fine with all other Big teams playing on Saturday
The other advantage is an extra day of practice if you make the CCG.
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No like.
How about Michigan vs. Notre Dame on Friday and Ohio State vs. West Virginia on Saturday?
See?
Nah.
Just let it be Iowa/UNL on Friday and leave the rest alone.
Just need Minnie to get consistently good and all will be fine.
Well in your examples at least Michigan and Notre Dame have a lot of history and an actual rivalry.
Personally, I wouldn't have anything against my team playing a game on Friday the last week of the season, it would be an extra day's practice for years in which we make the CCG.
- Iowa and Iowa State have played 60 times including every year since 1977.
- Nebraska and Oklahoma have played 86 times.
- Minnesota and Wisconsin have played 125 times.
- Notre Dame and Michigan have played 39 times.
- Ohio State and West Virginia have played twice.
One of those things is not like the others.
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I saw this article today in The Gazette. It is undated, but I think it is very recent. Says Nebraska AD Bill Moos called Iowa's AD to ask if they could be Iowa's permanent Black Friday rival.
I think it is very strange how this was a Nebraska event, and suddenly Iowa seems to have stolen it out from under Nebraska.
What is interesting about the article is Iowa's AD said, "For a while, Nebraska said it didn’t want to play on Friday anymore. We still wanted to, both Kirk (Ferentz) and I.”
Reading between the lines it appears Nebraska was the impetus for the Iowa-Wisconsin game being scheduled to close out the season because Iowa still wanted to play on Black Friday and Nebraska didn't want that day anymore. So Iowa was given a new dance partner. And, I am guessing, although nothing says so, that the day of the event was to be worked out later with television.
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/for-iowa-its-black-friday-more-than-the-opponent-20180201
some of us have the opinion that UNL's ex-AD's "final straw" was his public opinion that the game on black Friday wasn't necessary. Husker fans were not impressed and I think it proved how out of touch he was with the program and fans.
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One of those things is not like the others.
My post was meant to be a bitter pill for you, like all the possibilities you posted for other schools.
Maybe make it Cincinnati instead. You get the point.
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My post was meant to be a bitter pill for you, like all the possibilities you posted for other schools.
Maybe make it Cincinnati instead. You get the point.
I get the point, I just disagree. Ohio State doesn't have any "other" rivals that are even close to Michigan. The three games I suggested are:
- Wisconsin/Minnesota
- Iowa/Iowa State
- Nebraska/Oklahoma
All of those are legitimate rivalries (though I noticed in this thread that Iowa fans take issue with that). Even acknowledging the Hawkeye objections, Ohio State (Cincy/WVU) isn't remotely close to any of those.
Back to you:
Is your objection to:
- Wisconsin playing on Friday, or
- Anybody playing on Friday, or
- The Wisconsin/Minnesota match-up as a final weekend game, or
- One of the other match-ups I proposed for the final weekend, or
- Some combination or something else?
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I don't like my school playing on any day that doesn't start with Satur.
I would like to have an end-game with a rival that is competitive. If that is Minnie, great.
But they have not won since 2003, so UW needs a new rival. The one they have is broken and is probably going to get more broken with the assclown they currently call their coach.
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DeLo$$ Dodds
Lulz. He's to blame for many ills, but you can rest assured he had absolutely no interest in when Nebraska and CU played.
He did screw Texas by letting the traditional Thanksgiving Day game against the Aggies slide from T-day, to T+1, though. And beyond that, allowing the kickoff for that game to be a godawful 10 AM local time on T+1 for most of those years
Which gets us back on topic. I don't really like the T+1 game. It doesn't even really bring much additional exposure because a huge number of games are now played on that day. If we're not going to be playing our traditional game against the Aggies on T-day, then I'd rather just play on the Saturday after-- a normal college football day of the week.
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I agree Eichorst's disrespect for Black Friday was a faux pas for Nebraskans.
I came across another article about scheduling from Fall 2017. I do not recall seeing this depth of explanation:
"Iowa and Nebraska will continue to play annually. In 2020, they meet Nov. 14, and they also play Nov. 6, 2021. Neither school requested to annul their Black Friday obligations; it was part of the league’s planned schedule rotation. 'It doesn’t feel like a divorce to me,' Iowa athletics director Gary Barta said. 'It just feels like a rotation.'"
The article also says the Big Ten would consider Black Friday games for Nebraska v. Minnesota, and Iowa v. Wisconsin, if the schools are in agreement. https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-black-friday-still-possibility-wisconsin-without-nebraska
The Big Ten office says it will regularly rotate Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland in the season finale, and plans to rotate Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota. When Iowa v. Nebraska was originally set for Black Friday, I don't remember anyone stating there would be a rotation of rivals for rivalry week in the Big Ten. Maybe we can move up the Michigan v. Ohio State game while we are at it.
Why does the Conference think rotating rivalry week game matchups is an advantage? Seems like a disadvantage. I don't mind Iowa v. Wisconsin, but let's pick one and stick with it awhile.
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I would like to have an end-game with a rival that is competitive. If that is Minnie, great.
But they have not won since 2003, so UW needs a new rival. The one they have is broken and is probably going to get more broken with the assclown they currently call their coach.
I expected Minnesota to start working the oars, but I was on www.Rivals.com last night and their recruiting class is a bit deeper in the tank than where I thought it should be. Iowa is having its usual underperformance, but not to the extent of Minnesota's.
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I really wish Penn St still played Pitt the final weekend of the year. I get that it will never happen again.
I've been a proponent of OSU/M at noon followed by MSU/PSU for a long time. I believe that's how the season should end for those 4 schools.
As for the aforementioned rotation of UNL, Minne, Wisconsin and Iowa, I hate the idea. UNL/Iowa on Friday, Minne/Wisconsin on Sat. Simple as that.
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The article also says the Big Ten would consider Black Friday games for Nebraska v. Minnesota, and Iowa v. Wisconsin, if the schools are in agreement. https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-black-friday-still-possibility-wisconsin-without-nebraska
The Big Ten office says it will regularly rotate Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland in the season finale, and plans to rotate Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Minnesota. When Iowa v. Nebraska was originally set for Black Friday, I don't remember anyone stating there would be a rotation of rivals for rivalry week in the Big Ten. Maybe we can move up the Michigan v. Ohio State game while we are at it.
Why does the Conference think rotating rivalry week game matchups is an advantage? Seems like a disadvantage. I don't mind Iowa v. Wisconsin, but let's pick one and stick with it awhile.
I don't get why everybody wants to bring Michigan/Ohio State into this. Frankly, I'm not nearly as enamored with that as most tOSU/M fans but I still have to point out that the comparison here is completely invalid.
The situation out west is odd because prior to Nebraska joining you had the three-headed rivalry between Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Obviously only two of those can play in one weekend so somebody gets left out. Then we added Nebraska and we can't seem to decide if their season ending rival should be Minnesota, Iowa, or Wisconsin.
On the issue of which teams should play the final week, I agree with you, we should pick a set of games and stick with it. To me, it doesn't even really matter which ones you pick because UNL/IA and UW/MN is about equal to UNL/UW and IA/MN which is also about equal to UNL/MN and IA/UW. Any one of those three would work and I agree with you that we should pick one and stick with it.
In the East the complication is that the most logical rivalries for the Eastern teams would be either PSU/RU, PSU/UMD, or UMD/RU. Michigan State ends up involved in that because they are without a dance partner due to their obvious big rival having a bigger rival. Thus you get one of the three eastern "rivalries" and MSU playing the left over team.
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I really wish Penn St still played Pitt the final weekend of the year. I get that it will never happen again.
I've been a proponent of OSU/M at noon followed by MSU/PSU for a long time. I believe that's how the season should end for those 4 schools.
As for the aforementioned rotation of UNL, Minne, Wisconsin and Iowa, I hate the idea. UNL/Iowa on Friday, Minne/Wisconsin on Sat. Simple as that.
I think that makes a lot of sense and it completes the B1G-E final weekend:
- Indiana has their instate rivalry with B1G-W Purdue
- The Game
- PSU/MSU
- RU/UMD
In the B1G-W:
- Purdue has their instate rivalry with B1G-E IU
- Northwestern and Illinois have their instate rivalry
- That leaves the four western teams and we need to just pick two games and stick with them.
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I think that makes a lot of sense and it completes the B1G-E final weekend:
- Indiana has their instate rivalry with B1G-W Purdue
- The Game
- PSU/MSU
- RU/UMD
In the B1G-W:
- Purdue has their instate rivalry with B1G-E IU
- Northwestern and Illinois have their instate rivalry
- That leaves the four western teams and we need to just pick two games and stick with them.
That's how they initially did it when the Big Ten went East-West.
Not sure why they tinkered with it.
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That's how they initially did it when the Big Ten went East-West.
Not sure why they tinkered with it.
and I'm not sure why they feel the need to tinker with Hawks/Huskers after 7 seasons
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I don't get why everybody wants to bring Michigan/Ohio State into this. Frankly, I'm not nearly as enamored with that as most tOSU/M fans but I still have to point out that the comparison here is completely invalid.
The situation out west is odd because prior to Nebraska joining you had the three-headed rivalry between Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Obviously only two of those can play in one weekend so somebody gets left out. Then we added Nebraska and we can't seem to decide if their season ending rival should be Minnesota, Iowa, or Wisconsin.
On the issue of which teams should play the final week, I agree with you, we should pick a set of games and stick with it. To me, it doesn't even really matter which ones you pick because UNL/IA and UW/MN is about equal to UNL/UW and IA/MN which is also about equal to UNL/MN and IA/UW. Any one of those three would work and I agree with you that we should pick one and stick with it.
In the East the complication is that the most logical rivalries for the Eastern teams would be either PSU/RU, PSU/UMD, or UMD/RU. Michigan State ends up involved in that because they are without a dance partner due to their obvious big rival having a bigger rival. Thus you get one of the three eastern "rivalries" and MSU playing the left over team.
Neither of the two other eastern schools are PSU's rival. It'll never be, never was, never gonna happen. We respect and appreciate the OSU/UM rivalry and its place in the conference. That said, don't try and force two schools that are a combined 2-10000 against PSU to be 'rivals' b/c of their geographic location.
Let the East games be OSU/M, PSU/MSU, and UMd/RU.
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Neither of the two other eastern schools are PSU's rival. It'll never be, never was, never gonna happen. We respect and appreciate the OSU/UM rivalry and its place in the conference. That said, don't try and force two schools that are a combined 2-10000 against PSU to be 'rivals' b/c of their geographic location.
Let the East games be OSU/M, PSU/MSU, and UMd/RU.
I understand and that is why UMD/RU and PSU/MSU makes the most sense. The only way I could see that changing is if MSU and either UMD or RU switched general performance over the next decade or two such that either UMD or RU was clearly superior to MSU.
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I really wish Penn St still played Pitt the final weekend of the year. I get that it will never happen again.
I've been a proponent of OSU/M at noon followed by MSU/PSU for a long time. I believe that's how the season should end for those 4 schools.
As for the aforementioned rotation of UNL, Minne, Wisconsin and Iowa, I hate the idea. UNL/Iowa on Friday, Minne/Wisconsin on Sat. Simple as that.
I wish PSU was our annual crossover game. Yes, you'd crush UNL right now, but beating PSU was so much joy. =) Sad that two teams who had a history outside the BIG were not allowed to strengthen it within
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I understand and that is why UMD/RU and PSU/MSU makes the most sense. The only way I could see that changing is if MSU and either UMD or RU switched general performance over the next decade or two such that either UMD or RU was clearly superior to MSU.
Even at that, I think MSU vs. MD/RU feels like the most forced permutation.
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Move PU East and MSU West.
I'll take MSU at year end and won't complain, unless it's on a Friday, of course.
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Even at that, I think MSU vs. MD/RU feels like the most forced permutation.
No doubt. Especially because we've had a number of years now to get accustomed to MSU/PSU.
Move PU East and MSU West.
I'll take MSU at year end and won't complain, unless it's on a Friday, of course.
That makes no sense for a host of reasons including:
- It separates Michigan State from their instate rival which would necessitate another fixed cross-over.
- Wisconsin is one of a group of four western teams that make sense as rivals along with Iowa, Minnesota, and Nebraska. Creating an MSU/UW "rivalry" at the end of the year leaves an odd number of teams in that group so somebody gets left out and who do they play?
- Re #2, it is worse than that because it has to be a B1G-E team because every other team is already spoken for (UW/MSU, IU/PU, IL/NU, tOSU/M, UMD/RU). What is left over is Penn State, Iowa, Minnesota, and Nebraska.
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so.. Penn State-Nebraska and Minnie-Iowa.
Two fixed crossovers won't matter to the fans of M, UNL, PSU or MSU. They like those games.
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Nebraska-Iowa on Black Friday
playing Penn St every season in a fixed crossover would also be a good tradition to get started - any other week of the season
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Nebraska-Iowa on Black Friday
playing Penn St every season in a fixed crossover would also be a good tradition to get started - any other week of the season
Fixed cross-overs:
Illinois-Rutgers
Wisconsin-Michigan
Northwestern - MSU
Nebraska-Ohio St
Iowa-Penn St
Minnesota-Maryland
Indiana-Purdue
I would prefer Iowa's cross-over be Michigan. It is geographically closer, and feels like more of a rivalry because it has been more frequently played.
Nebraska can have Penn St as its fixed-crossover.
Wouldn't Wisconsin fans enjoy tangling with Ohio St more than Michigan? There have been some good Wisconsin-Ohio St games over the past few decades.
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Fixed cross-overs:
Illinois-Rutgers
Wisconsin-Michigan
Northwestern - MSU
Nebraska-Ohio St
Iowa-Penn St
Minnesota-Maryland
Indiana-Purdue
Indiana-Purdue seems to make sense
hey, they got one right
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Wouldn't Wisconsin fans enjoy tangling with Ohio St more than Michigan?
No question about it. Yes.
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Ok so I think this could work for fixed cross-overs
OSU-Wisc
(consensus #1 vs. Consensus # 1)
PSU-Neb
(2 traditionally strong programs that seem to want to play each other.)
MSU-Iowa
(You could argue both have been #2 in thier divisions since east-west was formed in 2014)
Mich-Minn
(Both have been competative but have never won a division)
MD-NW
(Both have potential to break through and win the division)
Rut-ILL
(2 bottom teams)
Indy-Pur
(For better or worse, they are bond to each other)
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Personally I don't think there should be any fixed crossovers because it limits the games with the rest of the teams in the other division.
I'm ok with making an exception for IU/PU because that is an instate rivalry and I think it should be played every year. Also, I *REALLY* don't like the idea of a possibility of two teams meeting the last weekend then meeting again a week later in the B1GCG so I thought it was stupid to have Ohio State and Michigan in opposite divisions and still playing the last weekend back when we had Legends and Leaders. Fortunately Michigan made it irrelevant by basically being irrelevant. In the case of IU/PU it seems like the chances of not just one but both of them winning their divisions are minimal so who cares.
With seven teams in a division and nine games each team plays three cross-divisional games per year. The B1G-W teams have less opportunities to play IU and the B1G-E teams have less opportunities to play PU due to their fixed cross-over but otherwise there is still a decent number of games against the rest of the opposite division.
If you introduce a fixed cross-over then each team plays seven teams every year (the six in their division and their fixed cross-over) then plays the other six teams in the opposite division only an average of once every three years.
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If OSU can't have Nebraska as the fixed crossover, then I'd prefer to do the whole Illibuck thing as the plan B.
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we have beaten this long since dead horse many times
I agree that fixed cross overs limit other cross over conference meetings - I'm fine without
It's just that part of the greatness of college football has been traditional rivalries that occur when playing each and every season. This really should be encouraged. I'm not sure why the leaders of the conferences AND the networks can't see that there is more $$$ not less if annual rivalry games are created.
If non-con games are NOT going to be rivalry type games such as Iowa-Iowa St and Penn St-Pitt and Sooners-Huskers, then play 10 or 11 conference games.
Hey, we all understand it's about the $$$ and better content is worth more $$$
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If OSU can't have Nebraska as the fixed crossover, then I'd prefer to do the whole Illibuck thing as the plan B.
you are just sweet on the farm girls from Nebraska
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I like the fixed crossovers... But I'd use it for the BIG to own the 3rd week in September. But maybe that's why I'm not in charge. =)
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Personally I don't think there should be any fixed crossovers because it limits the games with the rest of the teams in the other division.
10 conference games goes a long way to fix a lot of things, and so does going back to 11 schools.
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If OSU can't have Nebraska as the fixed crossover, then I'd prefer to do the whole Illibuck thing as the plan B.
The Bucks don't need any more guaranteed wins on the schedule.
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Right now the Buckeyes are the only school that plays all of the Big Ten's "Helmet" teams annually, with Nebraska as the fixed crossover. That's the way that I like it.
If we can't have that, then gimme the Trophy Game with the Illini.
The Battle of Lake Michigan between the Badgers and the Wolverines is already a natural and logical crossover rivalry.
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After this 6 year cycle runs its course (4 more seasons), OSU is getting Wisconsin for 6 years.
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Where did you see that?
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it switches.. every six years that annual game is flipping to a new school.
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I still have some pretty reliable sources (and one in particular - $$$ guy) in Madison.
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So then what will the other ones be?
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I'm ok with making an exception for IU/PU because that is an instate rivalry and I think it should be played every year. Also, I *REALLY* don't like the idea of a possibility of two teams meeting the last weekend then meeting again a week later in the B1GCG so I thought it was stupid to have Ohio State and Michigan in opposite divisions and still playing the last weekend back when we had Legends and Leaders. Fortunately Michigan made it irrelevant by basically being irrelevant. In the case of IU/PU it seems like the chances of not just one but both of them winning their divisions are minimal so who cares.
Yeah, it's kinda sad that I [as a fan] actually appreciate that both programs have enough long-term irrelevance that there's almost zero chance that both programs will be good enough at the same time to make it a truly meaningful game. As a result of that irrelevance everyone is like "okay, we'll set the kiddie table up for IU and Purdue."
But I want to play IU on the last weekend of the regular season, regardless of what the rationale is to allow it. That's how the regular season is supposed to end. So hey, I'll take it.
[I also think the regular season is supposed to end with OSU and Michigan playing. But they're in the same division now, so they don't have to justify it.]
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So then what will the other ones be?
All I've heard is PSU/UNL and UM/Minnie. Nothing on the rest.
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10 conference games goes a long way to fix a lot of things, and so does going back to 11 schools.
Amen
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I like the fixed crossovers... But I'd use it for the BIG to own the 3rd week in September. But maybe that's why I'm not in charge. =)
yup, but let's leave them "fixed"
build a tradition instead of flipping every 6 years
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yup, but let's leave them "fixed"
build a tradition instead of flipping every 6 years
Right.
So in 6 years UW and UM will have a "thing" going, much like OSU and UW and MSU and UW had a "thing" going. Then they took the "thing" away.
And those were some good "things" with great games.
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So Badger fans don't like the Michigan series?
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Cross-over schedules should be set up so that each of the Big 4 teams in each division play 2 times in 4 years. Then the Big 4 teams would play the other 3 teams in the other division twice in 6 years.
For example Wisconsin could have the following cross-over schedule
Year 1 : @OSU, MSU, @MD
Year2: @MSU, PSU, Rut
Year 3: @PSU, Mich, @Indy
Year 4: @Mich, OSU, MD
Year 5: @OSU, MSU, @Rut
Year 6: @MSU, PSU, Indy
Year 7: @PSU, Mich, @MD
Year 8 @Mich, OSU, Rut
Year 9 : @OSU, MSU, @Indy
Year 10: @MSU, PSU, MD
Year 11: @PSU, Mich, @Rut
Year 12 @Mich, OSU, Indy
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So Badger fans don't like the Michigan series?
It's getting there, I'm sure.
Until 2016, the two school hadn't played since F'ing 2010, and this past season was the first time Michigan stepped into Camp Randall since F'ing 2009. EIGHT YEARS.
So no, there's not much "there" yet. It's not a "thing" right now. And by the time it becomes a "thing", they won't play anymore.
It's STUPID.
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So no, there's not much "there" yet. It's not a "thing" right now. And by the time it becomes a "thing", they won't play anymore.
It's STUPID.
why in the wide wide world of sports don't the guys in charge of making the billions of dollars understand this?????
when my oldest daughter was 4 years old she understood that Nebraska not playing Oklahoma was STUPID
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UNL and OU not playing every year was the demise of the XII as we knew it. That's my opinion and I'm gonna stick to it.
That was the glue that could have held that conference together. But NOOOO..
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it definitely was part of the problem, from the inception
heck, the inception was the problem
forced marriage, all parties were never comfortable or committed
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Had the Big 8 added only Texas and aTm, it might've worked imo.
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might have kept DeLoss from calling the shots
might not
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I think geography was the problem. The major players had too many options, and it allowed them to hold the rest of the conference hostage.
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I am guessing if the original Big 12 would have done permanent cross-division rivals, it would have looked something like this
Neb-Oklahoma
Col - Texas A&M
Mizzou - Texas
Kansas - OSU
KSU - Texas Tech
Iowa St - Baylor
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I think geography was the problem. The major players had too many options, and it allowed them to hold the rest of the conference hostage.
geography?
the problem was that there was only one major player
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geography?
the problem was that there was only one major player
Wouldn't have mattered without the option to bail for any other major conference.
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I have heard speculation that MSU and Purdue might trade divisions in 2022. In which case the logical fixed cross-overs should be
MSU-Mich
Wisc- OSU
Neb-PSU
Iowa-MD
NW-Pur
Minn-Rut
ILL-Indy
But then you have a new problem of what should be the opponent for the last game of the season for each team.
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I would simply leave things as is
then have Purdue and Indiana play each other each season
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I have heard speculation that MSU and Purdue might trade divisions in 2022. In which case the logical fixed cross-overs should be
Is there a link or source for that speculation?
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I am guessing if the original Big 12 would have done permanent cross-division rivals, it would have looked something like this
Neb-Oklahoma
Col - Texas A&M
Mizzou - Texas
Kansas - OSU
KSU - Texas Tech
Iowa St - Baylor
At the time, Texas and Colorado actually had some recent history so a lot of folks proposed that as the potential permanent x-div rival for each of those teams had the B12 done in that direction. Honestly beyond NU and OU though, they're all sort of artificially forced. Some thought at the time it would look like this:
Oklahoma - Nebraska
Texas - Colorado
Texas A&M - Missouri
ISU - Baylor
Oklahoma State - Kansas State
Then the last pairing of Texas Tech - Kansas is kind of odd, but we're putting square pegs into round holes anyway.
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My favorite CFB era was the two year window where Big East FB and the Southwest Conference simultaneously existed.
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My favorite CFB era was the two year window where Big East FB and the Southwest Conference simultaneously existed.
Those were my college undergrad years, so I tend to like that era as well.
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Wouldn't have mattered without the option to bail for any other major conference.
The option to bail was a factor as was the "one major player" issue with Texas but I think that the fundamental problem with the B12 was that they had and still have too much dead wood.
Fanbase size correlates very strongly with annual revenues and also with population of the state. The problem in the B12 is that they have way too many small state schools and even worse they have way too many secondary schools from small states. Even Texas has too many P5 schools. Texas has a huge population (~28 Million) but that is only slightly over double what Ohio has (~12 Million). So, in theory, Texas should be able to support two or *MAYBE* three P5 schools at the level that Ohio supports Ohio State. That covers Texas, aTm, and maybe one more but Texas has those two plus TxTech, TCU, and Baylor. If you divide Texas' ~28 Million population by their five P5 schools you get ~5.6 Million or roughly the population of Wisconsin, Colorado, and Minnesota. Then the B12 has:
- Two schools from Oklahoma: Population ~4 Million, ~2 Million per school.
- A school from West Virginia: Population ~2 Million, ~2 Million per school.
- Two schools from Kansas: Population ~3 Million, ~1.5 Million per school.
- A school from Iowa: Population ~3 Million, 1.5 Million per P5 school.
In the case of Iowa it is even worse because Iowa State is clearly secondary to Iowa.
What would have probably secured the conference would have been to create a whole new conference out of the strongest members of the old SWC and the old B8 instead of merging four Texas schools into the B8 to form the B12. When the SWC folded you had 16 teams from the SWC and B8:
- From Texas: UT, aTm, Baylor, TCU, Houston, Rice, SMU, TxTech
- From Oklahoma: OU, OkSU
- From Kansas: KU, KSU
- From Missouri: Mizzou
- From Colorado: UC
- From Nebraska: UNL
- From Iowa: ISU
The new conference should have been:
- Texas
- aTm
- Oklahoma
- Kansas
- Mizzou
- Colorado
- Nebraska
Plus a school or two to be named later. BYU would be great or one of the New Mexico or Nevada schools. Those seven would all have been able to carry their own weight.
There is probably room in Texas' population for one more P5 school but it should probably be TxTech for geographic diversity. If 12 teams was considered mandatory then they could have had those seven, TxTech, BYU New Mexico, UNLV, and maybe Air Force. The rest of the Texas schools, OkSU, KSU, and ISU are dead wood.
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yes, $$$ and population is very important
but............. with texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska (3 helmets) there was very good content for the networks and therefore national/regional audiences. Texas A&M, Colorado, Mizzou, and Kansas St were solid
plenty of money to go around if managed properly
unfortunately, the members couldn't work together well enough to make it work. Plenty of fault to go around by the big hitters and the power struggle.
heck, the Big 12 is carrying much more dead wood the past few seasons with fewer heavy lifters. No end in sight.
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UNL and OU not playing every year was the demise of the XII as we knew it. That's my opinion and I'm gonna stick to it.
That was the glue that could have held that conference together. But NOOOO..
I'd say from a husker fan perspective, that would be true. Not playing OU every year made the conference feel less like others joined the big8 and more like UNL joined another conference. Many fans felt, right or wrong, the Big12 was set up to be anti-Nebraska. The fact that many "rules" were voted on while UNL's administration was at the Fiesta Bowl added fire to that premise.
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perhaps if Tom wouldn't have run it up so badly on Shiny Pants Steve in the Fiesta, the other 11 schools wouldn't have conspired to take down the mighty big red machine?
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I'd say from a husker fan perspective, that would be true. Not playing OU every year made the conference feel less like others joined the big8 and more like UNL joined another conference. Many fans felt, right or wrong, the Big12 was set up to be anti-Nebraska. The fact that many "rules" were voted on while UNL's administration was at the Fiesta Bowl added fire to that premise.
I like Iowa v. Wisc. series better than Iowa v. Neb. That said, for analagous reasons we have a relative newcomer to the Big Ten. Probably should not have changed its last game of the year.
Unfortunately it appears some of that impetus came from the A.D. at Nebraksa, now former A.D., who suggested Neb. no longer wanted a Black Friday game.
Ultimately, I think that means Iowa-Wisconsin will set the table in the West on Friday for big brothers Ohio St.-Michigan on Saturdays.
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heck, the Big 12 is carrying much more dead wood the past few seasons with fewer heavy lifters. No end in sight.
There is no doubt Nebraska would have the same struggles competitively in the Big 12 it now has in the Big 10 given the coaching it has had since departing the Big 12. If it is struggling a bit, do you think it would rather struggle in the Big 10?
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I'd rather be in the BIG. But I've always said the benefit for UNL in the BIG was more on the academic side than athletic.
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I like Iowa v. Wisc. series better than Iowa v. Neb. That said, for analagous reasons we have a relative newcomer to the Big Ten. Probably should not have changed its last game of the year.
Unfortunately it appears some of that impetus came from the A.D. at Nebraksa, now former A.D., who suggested Neb. no longer wanted a Black Friday game.
Ultimately, I think that means Iowa-Wisconsin will set the table in the West on Friday for big brothers Ohio St.-Michigan on Saturdays.
fortunately, the former AD is gone and the current AD understands the situation
Current AD will do whatever he can to preserve the Hawkeyes/Cornhuskers on Black Friday and continue it as a growing tradition
the only question is: Can he get it done?
I don't know. If Moos really is a great AD, I think he gets it done. If he's not a great AD, it might not happen
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There is no doubt Nebraska would have the same struggles competitively in the Big 12 it now has in the Big 10 given the coaching it has had since departing the Big 12. If it is struggling a bit, do you think it would rather struggle in the Big 10?
from a purely football perspective I'm not sure it matters much. I suppose it would hurt a bit worse to have old rivals such as Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St. Oklahoma St. really enjoying their sweet revenge on the Big Red.
from a $$$ and academic perspective, obviously the Big Ten is a much better place to struggle.
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In case you hadn't viewed the Nebraska off season forum, the Iowa-Nebraska Black Friday season finale returns in 2022 after a 2-year hiatus.
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not sure why the 2-year hiatus couldn't be avoided
oh well
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not sure why the 2-year hiatus couldn't be avoided
oh well
Same. I didn't know that part was locked in.
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I'm sure someone had already made plans and didn't want to redo things
so, to hell with tradition
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not sure why the 2-year hiatus couldn't be avoided
oh well
I hope they end up having a Black Friday double header in 2020 & 2021. Minn-Neb followed by Iowa-Wisc
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boat rowers v corn shuckers followed by bumblebees v red cheese curds
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No Friday games for Big Red, please.
Thank you.
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Delaney calls the shots, not King Barry
thanks for understanding
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Monday May 21, 2018 - LINCOLN, Neb. (KMTV) On Monday evening, Nebraska athletic director Bill Moos said on AM 590's "Sports Nightly" that the Huskers' contest against Minnesota in 2020 & 2021 will be played on Black Friday.
When the games were originally announced, the two were scheduled to play on the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
"We will in 2020 and 2021 play on Friday but it'll be Minnesota, which is fine," Moos said. "And then we go into the Iowa series from then on out."
The move to Black Friday will continue NU's streak of playing on the day after Thanksgiving that started back in 1990.
The 2020 game will be played in Minneapolis, while the 2021 game will be in Lincoln.
Moos also said he will work to keep the Iowa game on Black Friday as well when the Huskers and Hawkeyes resume their series that weekend in 2022. He also discussed the rivalry between the schools.
"I know there's a bit of one now but that needs to be our rivalry where it's easy enough for our fans to go to each place," Moos said. "Once we came to the Big Ten we didn't have a traditional rival so that's going to be in the works. That will be scheduled long after I'm gone and I mean on the face of the earth."
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I for one am happy to hear that Nebraska will maintain the Black Friday tradition. For ratings/fan viewership opportunity reasons, I do not like the idea of having two B1G-W Black Friday games. I think, instead, that it would be great if we had one each in the B1G-W and B1G-E.
I'm assuming that The Game would not be moved to Friday so that leaves either PSU/UMD or RU/MSU.
Personally, I think that PSU/MSU and UMD/RU makes more sense than PSU/UMD and RU/MSU. Those four have to play some combination of each other because Indiana (Purdue) and tOSU/M (each other) are already booked for the final weekend.
2017:
- PSU beat UMD 66-3
- MSU beat RU 40-7
2016:
- UMD beat RU 31-13
- PSU beat MSU 45-12
2015:
- MSU beat PSU 55-16
- UMD beat RU 46-41 (in something of an upset as RU came in 4-7 while UMD was 2-9)
2014:
- RU beat UMD 41-38 (another upset as RU came in 6-5 while UMD was 7-4)
- MSU beat PSU 34-10
So in the four years that Rutgers and Maryland have been in the league, these four teams in the last weekend have gone:
- 3-1 Michigan State: 2-1 vs PSU, 1-0 vs RU
- 2-2 Penn State: 1-2 vs MSU, 1-0 vs UMD
- 2-2 Maryland: 2-1 vs RU, 0-1 vs PSU
- 1-3 Rutgers: 1-2 vs UMD, 0-1 vs MSU
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Delaney calls the shots, not King Barry
thanks for understanding
I believe our previous AD also agreed with Delaney and was not in touch with the fans. If UNL said no, I don't believe Delaney pushes it.
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I for one am happy to hear that Nebraska will maintain the Black Friday tradition. For ratings/fan viewership opportunity reasons, I do not like the idea of having two B1G-W Black Friday games. I think, instead, that it would be great if we had one each in the B1G-W and B1G-E.
I'm assuming that The Game would not be moved to Friday so that leaves either PSU/UMD or RU/MSU.
I know the B12 really liked the symmetry of having both Nebraska-Colorado from the B12 North, and Texas-Texas A&M from the B12 South, played on T+1.
Personally I'd rather my team play on Saturday T+2 (unless of course we're talking about the traditional Thanksgiving evening timeslot for UT-A&M). But a lot of folks liked those two B12 games on that Friday.
And yes, I'd assume Michigan-Ohio State would only be played on Saturday. I'd be pretty annoyed if it were moved to T+1 and I'm not even a B1G fan.
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odd to me that some traditions are sacred, but most others are cast away with little regard
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I know the B12 really liked the symmetry of having both Nebraska-Colorado from the B12 North, and Texas-Texas A&M from the B12 South, played on T+1.
Personally I'd rather my team play on Saturday T+2 (unless of course we're talking about the traditional Thanksgiving evening timeslot for UT-A&M). But a lot of folks liked those two B12 games on that Friday.
And yes, I'd assume Michigan-Ohio State would only be played on Saturday. I'd be pretty annoyed if it were moved to T+1 and I'm not even a B1G fan.
I think Michigan/Ohio State should be played on the first Friday of the season, with Michigan being in the West and Ohio State in the East.
This way the game would not be the week before they are destined to meet in the championship game. Oh wait...
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Only if they're Legends and Leaders.
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It seems likely that Nebraska's final-week games against Minnesota in 2020 and 2021 will ultimately be played on Black Friday.
That schedule, however, is not yet set in stone, Gophers athletic director Mark Coyle told the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
His comments to the paper came days after Nebraska AD Bill Moos made it sound on the radio as if those dates had been finalized, but Coyle said that is not the case.
“We’d have those conversations with the Big Ten Conference," he told the Star Tribune. "We’d be open to those conversations. … We wouldn’t be opposed to that.’’
Coyle stressed that, even though he's supportive of moving the two dates — 2020 in Lincoln and 2021 in Minneapolis — to the day after Thanksgiving, it would require further coordination with the Big Ten office.
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Why would the Big Ten Conference object?
Only one possible reason I could speculate on for the Conference to object is if it prefers Iowa v. Wisconsin for T-Day +1.
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Nebraska and Iowa are working to restore their Black Friday* games as soon as 2022.
Multiple sources have told The World-Herald that NU called Iowa and flatly said it wouldn’t play on Black Friday no matter what, though Barta tempered that Tuesday.
“It wasn’t an ultimatum," Barta said. “It was ongoing discussions about what they thought they wanted and what they thought was best.
“We landed on a compromise that wherever the home game was, that school would decide whether it was on Friday or Saturday. In the meantime, the schedules had to be set, so that got rotated."
In 2020 and 2021, Iowa will end the season against Wisconsin, and Nebraska will face Minnesota. The Hawkeyes and Huskers will still play on Black Friday in 2018 and 2019.
With future schedules soon to be released, another rotation is expected that will return Nebraska vs. Iowa on Black Friday.
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“I’ve been outspoken that we need to have parity in the scheduling,” Moos said. “I know that at one point the traditional powerhouses were playing each other more to get that strength of schedule component really kind of directed and focused on the football playoff. But you look at the SEC, where they literally have terrible strength of schedule in most cases – only an eight-game conference schedule, etc. And still they’re putting somebody, sometimes two schools, in (the playoff) each year.”
The latter is something Frost has also been vocal about in the past, and continued to hit on this week.
He spent his final question of an hour-long session with print and TV media on Monday making the case why it’s important the SEC and ACC add another conference game each year.
“I think you have to absolutely have blinders on not to recognize the SEC and ACC are going to be over represented every year because they play eight while the Pac-12 and Big Ten beat themselves up and play extra games,” Frost said. “It’s inevitable if you play an extra conference game that half of your conference schools are going to have one more loss at the end of the year.
“It hurts your rankings. It hurts your preseason rankings for the next year because you had another loss the year before. It makes your games not count as much because you’re not playing ranked teams. Those things need to get balanced out.”
When it comes to controlling what you can control, Moos feels the athletic directors had “a very good dialogue” that had the support of the league commissioner Jim Delany in regards to future Big Ten scheduling.
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Moos almost makes it sound like Nebraska would like to play Rutgers every year instead of OSU. A big change in attitude.
Of course I think what everybody is really hinting at is an equal rotation where everybody plays everybody an equal amount in cross division. Well, except for Indy and Purdue, who need to play every year.
So I guess you start with the idea that everybody should play everybody 3 times in 7 years. Then tweak it so that teams only play Indy/Purdue 2 times in 7 years, and so there will be at least 1 team you play 4 times in 7 years.
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I think an equal rotation is coming
the other part is the possibility of going back to 8 conference games if the SEC and ACC refuse to go to 9.
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Iowa would do at least as well to play Wisconsin on Black Friday, as Nebraska. If I were Iowa I would promote the Wisconsin series over the Nebraska series.
If I resided in Western Iowa, my view might be different as I once resided in Sioux City, and saw a white flag with a red "N" displayed on Saturdays in the fall, and it was not so disturbing since they were in a weaker conference.
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I think an equal rotation is coming
the other part is the possibility of going back to 8 conference games if the SEC and ACC refuse to go to 9.
We are closer to 10 conference games, than 8. My opinion is worth fairly close to about 5¢.
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I think an equal rotation is coming
the other part is the possibility of going back to 8 conference games if the SEC and ACC refuse to go to 9.
Have you read up on the pod system SBNation came up with?
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I have read it and despise it as much as the term "pod"
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We are closer to 10 conference games, than 8. My opinion is worth fairly close to about 5¢.
That's ok with me and probably Frost and Moos, as long as the SEC and ACC play 10.
the rub is playing fewer conference games and thus having a better chance of putting two teams into the 4 or 8-team playoff
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That's ok with me and probably Frost and Moos, as long as the SEC and ACC play 10.
the rub is playing fewer conference games and thus having a better chance of putting two teams into the 4 or 8-team playoff
Lots of tricks the SEC has used to strengthen its perception. Fewer conference games with that extra one being played against an FCS team by much of the league, results in the teams within the conference having fewer guaranteed losses. That, combined with the timing of where the SEC typically schedules its "Cupcake Week" which is late in the season, giving the SEC teams a slam-dunk win while teams in other conferences are playing much tougher in-conference games, allows all the SEC teams to artificially move up the stack when the rankings come out.
In short, I think it's highly unlikely any conference is going to 10 conference games, while the SEC is playing only 8. It would only exacerbate the problems.
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I have read it and despise it as much as the term "pod"
Now I’m curious, what’s the big flaw you see?
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It's kind of odd that the SEC gets so much flak for playing 8 games. It's not like they used to play nine, and then dialed it back in order to bolster their records.
Everyone played 8 across the board. The SEC shouldn't have to start playing 9 Conference games just because a few other conferences randomly thought that it would be a good idea.
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It's kind of odd that the SEC gets so much flak for playing 8 games. It's not like they used to play nine, and then dialed it back in order to bolster their records.
Everyone played 8 across the board. The SEC shouldn't have to start playing 9 Conference games just because a few other conferences randomly thought that it would be a good idea.
Oh I don't disagree with that at all.
I'm just pointing out how it has worked to their advantage, and why no conference administrator in his right mind would choose to 10 at this point, and why there's a solid argument against even playing 9.
It's not much different than the argument back in the 90s and early 2000s, when the SEC and B12 had a CCG, and people in those conferences complained that the B10 and PAC didn't have CCGs but should. They claimed it should be an "even playing field." I just shook my head at those folks
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I'd speculate that if the Pac 12 went to ten Conference games, it would most likely be because of geography, as there is only one other FBS conference out there for them to schedule games against.
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If everybody would just take off their blinders and realize not all decisions are totally about the CFP, they may start to think differently. 10 conference games makes a lot of sense if your priority is to play other teams in your conference as much as possible. It also makes a lot of sense if your goal is to crown the most legitimate conference champ you can.
It's just strange that fans of teams that routinely finish nowhere near the top 4 nationally are arguing for 8 conference games.
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If everybody would just take off their blinders and realize not all decisions are totally about the CFP, they may start to think differently. 10 conference games makes a lot of sense if your priority is to play other teams in your conference as much as possible. It also makes a lot of sense if your goal is to crown the most legitimate conference champ you can.
It's just strange that fans of teams that routinely finish nowhere near the top 4 nationally are arguing for 8 conference games.
But unfortunately you're wrong, sadly it IS all about the CFP at this point. The national mediots and their focus on the national aspects of the game instead of the regional game, have made it this way.
Playing regional teams, winning games against regional rivals, winning your conference-- none of these things are the focus of the conversations about college football anymore. The resulting discussions about relative conference strength-- a subject that was only idly discussed 2-3 decades ago-- is now almost the sole focus of the national media. And the national media absolutely shape the current environment of the sport of college football.
So if you're a fan of a team that's in a conference that is not getting 2 teams into the 4-team CFP (and obviously that's every conference but 1), then your only hope at having any relevance among the national media, is for your conference to get on a level playing field with the sole conference that IS getting 50% of the CFP field.
I certainly wish it weren't this way, but that's where we've landed, for the time being.
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But unfortunately you're wrong, sadly it IS all about the CFP at this point. The national mediots and their focus on the national aspects of the game instead of the regional game, have made it this way.
Playing regional teams, winning games against regional rivals, winning your conference-- none of these things are the focus of the conversations about college football anymore. The resulting discussions about relative conference strength-- a subject that was only idly discussed 2-3 decades ago-- is now almost the sole focus of the national media. And the national media absolutely shape the current environment of the sport of college football.
So if you're a fan of a team that's in a conference that is not getting 2 teams into the 4-team CFP (and obviously that's every conference but 1), then your only hope at having any relevance among the national media, is for your conference to get on a level playing field with the sole conference that IS getting 50% of the CFP field.
I certainly wish it weren't this way, but that's where we've landed, for the time being.
Perhaps it's because I watch too much pro sports sometimes, but I kind of disagree. There's like 12 teams with realistic playoff chances. Maybe 10-20 more with unrealistic chances. But folks still love it, because there team-to-team narrative is so strong compared to the national one.
Plus, it's a sport where winning those smaller things leads to more theoretical recruiting success. It's a sport where being kinda good matters depending on who you are.
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coaches scheduling objectives are almost always about wanting to play easier opponents and trying to schedule more wins and fewer losses
if that's a team that has aspirations of getting into the 4-team playoff or simply hoping to move up a couple spots in their conference and qualify for a post-season bowl