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FearlessF · « **Reply #42 on:** November 27, 2024, 11:10:19 AM »

I thought the beavers were the duck's rival

you know, the Civil War

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 27, 2024, 11:18:56 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on November 27, 2024, 10:36:49 AM

I don't mind rematches
if they're well matched teams and give an entertaining game

now, the 3rd matchup of Ohio St. and Indiana with 3 lopsided outcomes would be brutal

What is hard for me to reconcile is that one team could "lose" the three game series by a count of two wins and one loss. Suppose:

Georgia beats Texas AGAIN in the SECCG, and
Oregon beats Ohio State AGAIN in the B1GCG, and
Texas beats Georgia in one National Semi-Final, and
Ohio State beats Oregon in the other National Semi-Final.

In that case the Bulldawgs and Ducks would be 2-1 against the Longhorns and Buckeyes respectively but they'd have to watch on TV while Ohio State played Texas for the National Championship.

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 27, 2024, 11:21:18 AM »

Oregon State is to Oregon what Michigan State is to Michigan, and Iowa State is to Iowa.

Maybe not quite. In the old days, when Oregon wasn't consistently good, the Civil War was probably the more important game. But since Oregon has had the Phil Knight money, Oregon wants to be Washington, and this is the bigger rivlary game. Similar for Washington: yes, they have Wazzu (like Iowa has Iowa State), but their real Pac-10 rivals were USC and Oregon.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 27, 2024, 11:21:49 AM »

Quote from: SFBadger96 on November 27, 2024, 11:07:22 AM

FWIW, don't overlook the rivlary games Ohio State and Oregon have to play this weekend. Washington and Michigan, while not having great seasons, still have the players to beat their rivals. Oregon has a bit of a little brother complex to Washington. They'll never admit it, but Washington has a more reliably good program than Oregon, for a much longer history (or at least that's my impression having grown up in the Pac-10).

These are exactly the kinds of games that make these rivalries great: one team is on the cusp of greatness, the other is having an off year, but brings all it has to this game. I don't have any statistics on it, but I'd bet that the winning percentage for the higher ranked team isn't much different when the lower ranked team is a 2-loss team vs. a 4-loss team (I know, Michigan and Washington are both 5-loss teams, but the 12-game schedule is still relatively new, for the purposes of historical CFB statistics).

Wisconsin won its first Rose Bowl as the result of Michigan winning one of these kinds of games. I'm sure there are many other similar examples.

The favorites are playing at home, which will help even more, but don't sleep on the challengers.

I agree with this. Part of it is the motivation issue. The Huskies and Wolverines are playing their "Superbowl" this weekend. Neither can make either the B1GCG or the CFP so their bowls will be also-ran crappy bowls that most of their starters will opt out of. They have NOTHING to lose. The Ducks and Bucks have a LOT to lose. They are projected to play each other in a rematch next week and both are very much in the B1G and National Championship races.

FearlessF · « **Reply #46 on:** November 27, 2024, 11:23:01 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 27, 2024, 11:18:56 AM

What is hard for me to reconcile is that one team could "lose" the three game series by a count of two wins and one loss. Suppose:
Georgia beats Texas AGAIN in the SECCG, and
Oregon beats Ohio State AGAIN in the B1GCG, and
Texas beats Georgia in one National Semi-Final, and
Ohio State beats Oregon in the other National Semi-Final.
In that case the Bulldawgs and Ducks would be 2-1 against the Longhorns and Buckeyes respectively but they'd have to watch on TV while Ohio State played Texas for the National Championship.

not hard for me
now if UNL was EVER in that position...... I might feel differently, but
that seems hellu unlikely
for the others,.......... play better football in the game that REALLY means something

utee94 · « **Reply #47 on:** November 27, 2024, 11:23:38 AM »

I think Indiana-SMU would be a really close game. It'd be fun to watch. Maybe we'll get it in the CFP.

ELA · « **Reply #48 on:** November 27, 2024, 11:34:34 AM »

Quote from: SFBadger96 on November 27, 2024, 11:21:18 AM

Oregon State is to Oregon what Michigan State is to Michigan, and Iowa State is to Iowa.

Maybe not quite. In the old days, when Oregon wasn't consistently good, the Civil War was probably the more important game. But since Oregon has had the Phil Knight money, Oregon wants to be Washington, and this is the bigger rivlary game. Similar for Washington: yes, they have Wazzu (like Iowa has Iowa State), but their real Pac-10 rivals were USC and Oregon.

Interesting. I was always under the impression that Oregon State and Washington State were still Oregon and Washington's largest respective rivalries up until the dissolution of the conference

FearlessF · « **Reply #49 on:** November 27, 2024, 12:19:03 PM »

I'm still under that impression

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #50 on:** November 27, 2024, 02:46:07 PM »

I guess it depends on whether you care about whether the rivalry is one of skill, or just naming rights. Yes, the Apple Cup and the Civil War are things in their respective home states, but the series isn't especially competitive. Conversely, you could argue that Oregon hasn't been especially competitive with Washington (although closer than Oregon State is to Oregon). Washington hasn't been that competitive with USC, either, but not many schools have been (and ND has about the same edge over USC as USC has over Washington).

I think beating each other is more important than beating their in-state "State" brethren, but mostly because Washington and Oregon fans expect to do the latter. Or maybe it's recency bias and the fact that without the Pac-10/12, those games don't exist anymore. Which is sad.

ELA · « **Reply #51 on:** November 27, 2024, 03:11:21 PM »

I honestly never even thought of Oregon-Washington as a rivalry other than two really good programs in close proximity. Like Michigan-Penn State or something

FearlessF · « **Reply #52 on:** November 27, 2024, 04:55:59 PM »

LittlePig · « **Reply #53 on:** November 27, 2024, 05:24:44 PM »

The Pac-12 falling apart was obviously a game changer. Iowa St, Wash St, Ore St all used to be considered P5 schools just like their big brothers, but now their status is not quite equal.

Iowa St got a small demotion to a M2 school as a member of the Big 12. But at least the Big 12 is still considered one of the P4 conferences, which is good enough for Iowa to keep the Iowa St series going.

Ore St and Wash St are kinda in limbo because the new Pac is not quite done expanding, but the general consensus is the new Pac will be considered a G6 conference starting in 2026.

Needless to say, Washington and Oregon will need to decide at some point if its still worth it to keep the annual games with Wash St and Ore St.

ELA · « **Reply #54 on:** November 30, 2024, 10:25:08 AM »

Massey Composite Computer Rankings - 91 rankings (last week in parentheses)

OHIO STATE (1)
OREGON (2)
Texas (3)
Notre Dame (6)
PENN STATE (8)
Georgia (7)
INDIANA (5)
Miami (10)
SMU (11)
Alabama (4)
Ole Miss (9)
Tennessee (12)
South Carolina (13)
Clemson (14)
Iowa State (19)
Boise State (17)
BYU (15)
Texas A&M (16)
Louisville (24)
Kansas State (21)
Tulane (20)
Arizona State (22)
Colorado (18)
LSU (23)
Missouri (-)

26. Iowa (27)
27. Illinois (29)
30. USC (30)
33. Michigan (40)
39. Minnesota (36)
45. Washington (44)
47. Nebraska (54)
54. Wisconsin (43)
61. Rutgers (57)
65. UCLA (61)
70. Michigan State (76)
79. Maryland (75)
89. Northwestern (82)
117. Purdue (117)

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 02, 2024, 07:02:42 PM »

FWIW, I just spoke with my colleague who was born and raised in Eugene, and went to the Oregon/Ohio State game this year. Washington is their biggest rival. In his mind it isn't close. OSU is little brother. Maybe not in 1980, but in the last forty years, Oregon has ascended, OSU has not. He doesn't really care about OSU, except that it's embarassing if Oregon loses that game. Washington is the game for all the real bragging rights.

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