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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Big Ten Expansion
« Reply #112 on: April 09, 2024, 08:05:23 PM »
Now you're saying that regular people shouldn't fly, and it should be reserved for the upper class? I mean, what the hell are you even talking about?
If the whole plane is first-class width, that's x% of fewer seats and thus, the price goes up y%.  My point isn't that the new price + the y% would price normal people out, that's what you're trying to say.  And it's BS.  

Let's say it's 33%.......33% fewer seats and ticket prices go up 33%.  There's no more packing people in like sardines for a cheaper ticket, the price is what it is and you get a comfortable flight.  
People would fly less often.  Fewer people would fly.  The airlines would probably fold.  

And then you could go down the argument that flight has become essential and that it must exist, despite the shit economics behind it, and it would probably then be run by the government.  "Gov't running things poorly" jokes aside, with a default comfy seat and the gov't footing the bill, that would be an interesting air travel landscape, no?

It beats airlines barely scraping by WHILE packing us in like sardines.
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Re: Big Ten Expansion
« Reply #113 on: April 09, 2024, 08:08:32 PM »
he likes to argue for the sake of arguing

it's quite obvious
This is so lazy.

I simply like to progress beyond "you're wrong", "no YOU'RE wrong" and explore differences of opinion.  

Such tomfoolery on a MESSAGE BOARD, I know.
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Re: Big Ten Expansion
« Reply #114 on: April 09, 2024, 08:17:51 PM »
If the whole plane is first-class width, that's x% of fewer seats and thus, the price goes up y%.  My point isn't that the new price + the y% would price normal people out, that's what you're trying to say.  And it's BS. 

Let's say it's 33%.......33% fewer seats and ticket prices go up 33%.  There's no more packing people in like sardines for a cheaper ticket, the price is what it is and you get a comfortable flight. 
People would fly less often.  Fewer people would fly.  The airlines would probably fold. 

And then you could go down the argument that flight has become essential and that it must exist, despite the shit economics behind it, and it would probably then be run by the government.  "Gov't running things poorly" jokes aside, with a default comfy seat and the gov't footing the bill, that would be an interesting air travel landscape, no?

It beats airlines barely scraping by WHILE packing us in like sardines.

The airlines are fine. COVID kinda screwed them, but once we got out of that, they've been alright. They've done a halfway decent job of aligning their number of flight options to consumer demand such that nearly every flight is full. 

People bitch about the flight experience, but you know what? They still keep effing flying! If their preferences changed (and they actually spent money to reflect those preferences) the situation would be different. 

You seem to want to turn flying into some sort of luxury good when it seems the world as a whole looks at it as another method of transportation subject to normal market economics, which is how we got here. 

Flying is just riding the big Greyhound in the sky. Some people who would NEVER ride Greyhound lament the fact that the "prestige" of air travel is gone. But they aren't spending the money to bring it back, so screw 'em. 

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Re: Big Ten Expansion
« Reply #115 on: April 09, 2024, 08:19:36 PM »
I wonder what effect high-speed rail would have on flying if we ever actually utilized it.
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« Reply #116 on: April 09, 2024, 08:51:26 PM »
I wonder what effect high-speed rail would have on flying if we ever actually utilized it.
The planes would probably still go above it

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« Reply #117 on: April 09, 2024, 09:03:25 PM »
Mystery solved.
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« Reply #118 on: April 09, 2024, 10:20:05 PM »
This is so lazy.

I simply like to progress beyond "you're wrong", "no YOU'RE wrong" and explore differences of opinion. 

Such tomfoolery on a MESSAGE BOARD, I know.
might be lazy, but it's still obvious
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« Reply #119 on: April 09, 2024, 10:52:14 PM »
When I go to ORD, I'm in my rental car and on the road in 30-40 minutes, tops.
I've topped that waving my Desert Eagle around
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« Reply #120 on: April 09, 2024, 10:53:31 PM »
the black & white isn't a rental
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« Reply #121 on: April 09, 2024, 11:01:07 PM »
That's not rashee's car color
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Re: Big Ten Expansion
« Reply #122 on: April 10, 2024, 06:18:02 AM »
The airlines are fine. COVID kinda screwed them, but once we got out of that, they've been alright. They've done a halfway decent job of aligning their number of flight options to consumer demand such that nearly every flight is full.

People bitch about the flight experience, but you know what? They still keep effing flying! If their preferences changed (and they actually spent money to reflect those preferences) the situation would be different.

You seem to want to turn flying into some sort of luxury good when it seems the world as a whole looks at it as another method of transportation subject to normal market economics, which is how we got here.

Flying is just riding the big Greyhound in the sky. Some people who would NEVER ride Greyhound lament the fact that the "prestige" of air travel is gone. But they aren't spending the money to bring it back, so screw 'em.
Covid didn't screw them...
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« Reply #123 on: April 10, 2024, 06:19:39 AM »
I wonder what effect high-speed rail would have on flying if we ever actually utilized it.
Not happening on a large scale. We are not Europe.
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« Reply #124 on: April 10, 2024, 09:50:06 AM »
Covid didn't screw them...
I loved flying during Covid. "Everyone" was scared to fly - not me. Didn't drink fear the Kool-Aid.

$50-75 round trips from here to Chicago and you got your own row.

Now planes are more packed then they ever were.
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Re: Big Ten Expansion
« Reply #125 on: April 10, 2024, 11:28:32 AM »
I wonder what effect high-speed rail would have on flying if we ever actually utilized it.
It's unclear. The problem with high speed rail traditionally has been that it's often as expensive as flying and as slow as driving. 

For me, let's say I wanted to go from home to the Bay Area. 

Flying:
  • 25 minute drive to SNA
  • Get there 1 hr before departure to get through security (SNA is a quick/easy airport and I have TSA precheck)
  • 1 hr flight time
  • 30 minutes for deplane, rental car, etc
  • Total time: ~3 hours

HSR:
  • 10-15 minutes drive to Irvine metro station, plus 10 minutes buffer to make sure I'm there before my scheduled train
  • 1 hr train ride to LA, plus 20 minutes buffer to ensure I'm there with enough time to get to my HSR train
  • 3 hrs train
  • 30 minutes to get off, rental car, etc
  • Total time: ~5 hours

Driving:
  • 5-6 hours

Now, that's anecdotal. For someone who lives near downtown LA, and would be flying out of LAX, it's significantly MORE time for them if they had to drive to LAX, park, give themselves more time for security because LAX is slow, etc. And they wouldn't have the 1 hr train ride from Irvine->LA so it would cut that time off their travel. 

But I'd argue that given that there are 5 airports in the LA/Orange County megalopolis, and 3 airports in the Bay Area, that a lot of people in this area would find flying more convenient for them than HSR, given that you have to find your way to downtown LA to access HSR. But I could be wrong... Maybe it would be such a pleasurable experience in comparison to flying that people would flock to it. 


 

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