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Topic: Big Ten East v West

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Abba

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Big Ten East v West
« on: September 05, 2021, 09:44:43 PM »
The East got out to an early lead with a 3-1 edge week 1.

OSU d. Minny
MSU d. NU
PSU d. Wisc
Iowa d. Indiana

Up next: Maryland at Illinois on Sep 17.

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2021, 09:59:06 PM »
West hosted all 4, and were favored in 3 of them

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2021, 06:09:24 AM »
If this turns out to be one of NW's down years,  it could be a long year for the West division.

But if its like most years, one division will jump out to an early lead,  only for the lead to tighten with a couple of upsets late in the year and  again it will all come down to the CCG game, which will be won by the East again.

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2021, 08:22:46 AM »
Divisive thread.
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2021, 07:47:35 PM »
Divisive thread.
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2021, 08:21:55 PM »
Each team and what inter-divisional games they have left:
B1G-E:

  • 1-0 Ohio State, vs PU, at UNL
  • 1-0 Penn State, at IA, vs IL
  • 0-0 Michigan, at UW, vs NU, at UNL
  • 0-0 Maryland, vs IA, at MN, at IL
  • 1-0 Michigan State, at PU, vs UNL
  • 0-1 Indiana, vs MN, at PU
  • 0-0 Rutgers, vs UW, at IL, at NU
B1G-W:
  • 1-0 Iowa, vs PSU, at UMD
  • 0-1 Wisconsin, vs M, at RU
  • 0-1 Minnesota, vs UMD, at IU
  • 0-0 Purdue, at tOSU, vs MSU, vs IU
  • 0-0 Illinois, at PSU, vs UMD, vs RU
  • 0-1 Northwestern, at M, vs RU
  • 0-0 Nebraska, vs tOSU, vs M, at MSU

Opponent in bold if the team is ranked higher than them in our current power rankings

If the higher ranked team wins all remaining games, here would be the final:
B1G-E:
  • 3-0 Ohio State
  • 3-0 Penn State
  • 2-1 Michigan
  • 2-1 Maryland
  • 3-0 Michigan State
  • 1-2 Indiana
  • 2-1 Rutgers
  • 16-5 B1G-E
B1G-W:
  • 2-1 Iowa
  • 2-1 Wisconsin
  • 1-2 Minnesota
  • 0-3 Purdue
  • 0-3 Illinois
  • 0-3 Northwestern
  • 0-3 Nebraska
  • 5-16 B1G-W

I'm not saying this *WILL* happen or making any prediction just pointing out that as of right now the B1G-W needs a boatload of upsets just to get close.  They'd need five upset wins just to get to 10-11 where the B1GCG would come in to play. 

« Last Edit: September 07, 2021, 08:28:48 PM by medinabuckeye1 »

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2021, 09:59:29 PM »
we all know it won't happen
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2021, 05:22:57 AM »
Historically its always been close except for 2017

East vs West record since East-West divisions were established in 2014

Year, regular season record (record with CCG)
2014.    7-7        (8-7)

2015.    7-7        (8-7)
2016.  10-11    (11-11)
2017.    13-8.    (14-8)
2018.    11-10.  (12-10)
2019.    11-10.  (12-10)
2020.    equal win-loss record without CCG.    (+1 with CCG)

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2021, 07:52:26 AM »
One of the worst showings in East vs West was Indiana at Iowa. There were expectations from the Hoosiers this season, unlike most seasons. I missed this game, so I want to know, if it was because Iowa was so strong, or because Indiana was so weak? Thank you for any info (the box score only tells me so much).

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2021, 09:37:52 AM »
Penix Jr. throwing 3 picks, two that went for 6 each put the Hawks in a spot where they could be conservative, play defense and run the ball

hard for me to tell how strong or weak either team will be, game was over early
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2021, 10:38:47 AM »
So in one year he went from a fully extended Penix to "scared turtle" type shrinkage? 
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2021, 12:08:58 PM »
One of the worst showings in East vs West was Indiana at Iowa. There were expectations from the Hoosiers this season, unlike most seasons. I missed this game, so I want to know, if it was because Iowa was so strong, or because Indiana was so weak? Thank you for any info (the box score only tells me so much).
Last year, Indiana couldn't run the ball and was largely home run or bust through the air, with Penix having a 56% completion rate. That offensive style plays perfectly into Iowa's defensive style, as they will take away the deep ball and force you to methodically move down the field.

Indiana's defense was solid, but not dominant, and Iowa's offense looked familiarly pedestrian. Penix definitely showed some rust, but if you line them up again, I firmly believe Iowa wins that game in a 24-13ish manner.

As Penix gets settled, I think he still has the WR corps to pick on weaker secondaries, but as a whole, I think Indiana was very overhyped coming into the season.

Iowa's defense should be one of the better units in the conference, but is still going to struggle with teams willing to take what Iowa gives (Wisconsin, Iowa State, Minnesota, Purdue).

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2021, 12:25:49 PM »
Thanks for the analysis FearlessF and Iahawk15.

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2021, 01:59:58 PM »
Indiana in 2020...


  • Yards per play: 5.05 / Opponent yards per play: 5.52
  • First downs: 162 / Opponent first downs: 161
  • Penalties: 34 (358 yards) / Opponent penalties: 60 (566 yards)
  • Indiana turnover margin: 8 (one per game in the shortened season)
  • Fourth down conversion: 53.33% (8 of 15) / Opponent: 30.77% (4 of 13)
  • Red Zone conversion: 82.86% (29 of 35) / Opponent: 64% (16 of 25)
  • FG%: 90.9% (10 of 11) / Opponent: 41.7% (5 of 12)

Statistically, Indiana wasn't a particularly amazing team. 

They did a few things well. They got a lot of interceptions (17) while not throwing many (5), which gave them an excellent turnover margin (despite being -4 in fumbles lost relative to opponent). They got a very high 4th down conversion rate. They held their opponents to surprisingly low red zone percentage, 

and a surprisingly low FG percentage. And of course there's a significant difference in penalties.

I'd argue, however, that many of those stats--which were probably the difference between a 6-2 and 4-4 or 3-5 record--are not sustainable year over year. 

Fool's gold, IMHO.

 

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