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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2021, 01:37:49 PM »
unfortunately, I got to see what Mike Riley could do with better talent and resources
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« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2021, 01:41:41 PM »
The Miss State offense have UGA's defense fits last year.  I had to admire the style of it.  Given a very accurate QB and some quick wide outs, I think they could score on just about anyone.

I think I'd defend it by having my three down DLs just occupy space and try to swat the ball while dropping 8 in short coverage.
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« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2021, 02:27:16 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 28, 2021, 01:41:41 PM
The Miss State offense have UGA's defense fits last year.  I had to admire the style of it.  Given a very accurate QB and some quick wide outs, I think they could score on just about anyone.

I think I'd defend it by having my three down DLs just occupy space and try to swat the ball while dropping 8 in short coverage.
I think that in a couple of years, when the Pirate has recruited to his system, they're going to be a tough out for just about every team they play, except maybe Alabama based on sheer talent.
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Re: Better job?
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2021, 02:52:08 PM »
As noted,  they may well lose games they should win while doing the reverse also.  It's a neat offense, I think, but one can have a bad game with it.

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« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2021, 03:55:58 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 28, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
One coach is more than many programs have had.
This is true, but if you are in theory that level of program and all but a couple of coaches struggle to bring the floor up, perhaps there is some thing understated about the job that makes it harder than we think
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« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2021, 04:01:16 PM »
Maybe what makes it harder is expectations that are too lofty.  Even very good programs struggle to win NCs these days, Clemson and Bama have shown it can be done with remarkable regularity, but no one else has come close to that.  But Texas SHOULD be able to make a major bowl game most years and win 10+ games with few exceptions.

Texas SHOULD be in the playoff twice a decade, I'd think, at least, but one might say that for USC and Florida and Michigan  ...
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« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2021, 04:08:03 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on May 28, 2021, 01:26:39 PM
Maybe, but we've never seen what Leach can do at a team with elite talent.



That's true, and we likely never will.

But, we've seen him lose a lot with better teams. Pretty consistently. And that kind of thing matters less when you're the plucky underdog, but it matters a hell of a lot more when you're at a powerhouse.

(Tennessee could've settled this for all of us, but they decided to be dummies and hire Pruitt)
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« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2021, 05:38:51 PM »
Even with 4 playoff teams per season, there's still not enough spots for every helmet program to get their 2-3 appearances per decade.  
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« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2021, 05:44:02 PM »
If we have say 8 Blue Bloods, obviously they could all participate in four years twice in theory.

If we have say 16 programs with realistic chances to make a playoff, it gets dicier obviously, but all 16 COULD do it in four years of course, in theory.

The problem of course is one can pencil in Clemson Bama Ohio State in most years and the other 11 are vying for slot 4 often as not.

As we have noted, ten years ago Clemson/Bama were not dominant, and they may not be in five more years.  Ohio State seems position to make the playoffs more than ha;f the time, it would appear.
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« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2021, 05:58:29 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 28, 2021, 05:38:51 PM
Even with 4 playoff teams per season, there's still not enough spots for every helmet program to get their 2-3 appearances per decade. 
I'm mobile, so I can't look it up. But without getting too deep into who should have gone, and just going with who the AP top four going into the bowls were. How many playoff appearances would each of the helmet schools have had in the seventies, which I think we all agree is the most helmety decade
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« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2021, 06:07:38 PM »
Of course, these rankings were prebowl for much of this period, I will include prebowl rankings when not:

1960 Final AP Football Poll

[th]Rank[/th]
[th]Team (FPV)[/th]
[th]Conf[/th]
[th]Rec[/th]
[th]Pts[/th]
[th]Last Week[/th]
1< 1Minnesota (17.5)Big Ten8-1433.5DNP (Did not play)
2< 3Mississippi (16)SEC (Southeastern)9-0-1411 
3< 2Iowa (12.5)Big Ten8-1407.5 
4< 7NavyInd (Independent)8-1262 

Some heavy hitters in that group.

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Re: Better job?
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2021, 06:08:32 PM »
1961 Final AP Football Poll

[th]Rank[/th]
[th]Team (FPV)[/th]
[th]Conf[/th]
[th]Rec[/th]
[th]Pts[/th]
[th]Last Week[/th]
1< 1Alabama (26)SEC (Southeastern)10-0452W 34-0 N Auburn
2< 2Ohio State (20)Big Ten8-0-1436 
3< 4TexasSouthwest9-1348 
4< 3LSU (1)SEC (Southeastern)9-1335 

Heh, starts to look like today.

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« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2021, 06:09:04 PM »
1962 Final AP Football Poll

[th]Rank[/th]
[th]Team (FPV)[/th]
[th]Conf[/th]
[th]Rec[/th]
[th]Pts[/th]
[th]Last Week[/th]
1< 1USC (42)AAWU (Athletic Association of Western Universities)10-0509W 25-0 H Notre Dame
2< 2Wisconsin (5)Big Ten8-1428 
3< 3Mississippi (2)SEC (Southeastern)9-0393 
4< 4TexasSouthwest9-0-1343 

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Re: Better job?
« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2021, 06:09:33 PM »
1963 Final AP Football Poll

[th]Rank[/th]
[th]Team (FPV)[/th]
[th]Conf[/th]
[th]Rec[/th]
[th]Pts[/th]
[th]Last Week[/th]
1< 1Texas (34)Southwest10-0460DNP (Did not play)
2< 2Navy (10)Ind (Independent)9-1418 
3< 3IllinoisBig Ten7-1-1361 
4< 4Pittsburgh (5)Ind (Independent)9-1340 

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