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847badgerfan · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2021, 09:20:37 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 28, 2021, 09:16:17 AM

Maybe Harbaugh gets something of a pass because Ohio State is on a near historic "run", even for OSU. I could see that, logically, if logic plays a role here, sort of like South Carolina's situation (they have a new coach of course). I don't know if Texas thinks that way about OU.

Georgia Tech would upset UGA every so often, usually in Athens, to meet somewhat lower expectations there. I think now they've sort of given up on that point.

Harbaugh gets a pass because a) he took a pay cut, and b) there is nobody available who could do better right now.

utee94 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 28, 2021, 09:25:09 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 28, 2021, 09:20:37 AM

Harbaugh gets a pass because a) he took a pay cut, and b) there is nobody available who could do better right now.

That's a relevant point.

I also think AAA's point is probably valid, that there's a disconnect between the BMDs at Michigan who like that he's one of them, and that they have access, versus fan expectations of winning a bunch of football games and beating their archrival.

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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #16 on:** May 28, 2021, 09:39:14 AM »

Quote from: GopherRock on May 28, 2021, 08:36:41 AM

Glen Mason lost 8 of 10 against Wisconsin and 6 of 10 against Iowa (with a whole bunch of no-shows in those losses), and many of you called us crazy for sacking him.

It's the same reason why I don't understand why Little Jimmy's seat isn't nuclear-fusion hot in AA. Sometime he's gotta beat Ohio State.

Simple...

1951–1953	Wes Fesler	3	10–13–4	.444
1954–1971	Murray Warmath	18	87–78–7	.526
1972–1978	Cal Stoll	7	39–39	.500
1979–1983	Joe Salem	5	19–35–1	.355
1984–1985	Lou Holtz	2	10–12	.455
1986–1991	John Gutekunst	6	29–36–2	.448
1992–1996	Jim Wacker	5	16–39	.291
1997–2006	Glen Mason	10	64–57	.529
2007–2010	Tim Brewster	4	15–30	.333
2010	Jeff Horton	1	2–3	.400
2011–2015	Jerry Kill	5	29–29	.500
2015–2016	Tracy Claeys	2	11–8	.579
2017–present	P. J. Fleck	3	23–15	.605

From '79 to '96 the Gophers didn't have a single coach who finished at or above .500, and so firing Mason did seem crazy.

And what happened? From '07 through '15 you also didn't have a coach that finished over .500.

Fans get a taste of a little success but then complain that the coach that gave them that success "can't take us to the next level".

But they don't realize that the next level, at a school like Minnesota, is more likely to be .333 than .666. Next is not synonymous with higher.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #17 on:** May 28, 2021, 09:40:40 AM »

Good comment, I think, ADs often fire a coach first it seems, and then look around for who they could hire, and even learn their first 5-6-7 choices are not available or interested (Tenn).

Who would you choose to replace Harbaugh right now? You could find something like The Pirate or Huepel I suppose, if they are not entirely unique.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #18 on:** May 28, 2021, 09:41:59 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 28, 2021, 09:40:40 AM

Good comment, I think, ADs often fire a coach first it seems, and then look around for who they could hire, and even learn their first 5-6-7 choices are not available or interested (Tenn).

Who would you choose to replace Harbaugh right now? You could find something like The Pirate or Huepel I suppose, if they are not entirely unique.

The Pirate is the type of coach that could bring national championships to Ann Arbor and not survive based on personality.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #19 on:** May 28, 2021, 10:09:02 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 28, 2021, 12:11:42 AM

Richt was fired after averaging 9.4 wins a season because he didn't beat Florida consistently (and didn't win an NC).

Richt had Cooperitis - there I took the bait 😁

MrNubbz · « **Reply #20 on:** May 28, 2021, 10:10:37 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on May 28, 2021, 09:41:59 AM

The Pirate is the type of coach that could bring national championships to Ann Arbor and not survive based on personality.

I actually wanted him hired when Tressell was fired,he did alot with seemingly little.I remember asking the old big 12 board about him

utee94 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 28, 2021, 10:29:16 AM »

The Pirate definitely got a lot out of his players at Tech. I feared playing his teams every single year.

I don't feel like he did that so much as Wazzu but admittedly I don't follow PAC football all that closely. His first year at MSU was rocky but that had to be a tough year for a brand new coach, with all the crazy COVID stuff stacked on top.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #22 on:** May 28, 2021, 10:33:31 AM »

He's a bit like Johnson at GaTech, he got them as far as possible, I think, with a quirky offense. When your talent base is limited, that is the route to take I think.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #23 on:** May 28, 2021, 10:38:16 AM »

OK, so I'm gonna ask.

If Jim Harbaugh can't win at Michigan, who could? Who would want to even try?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #24 on:** May 28, 2021, 10:52:42 AM »

With Ohio State recruiting at an elite level consistently, it would be tough.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #25 on:** May 28, 2021, 11:02:38 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 28, 2021, 10:38:16 AM

OK, so I'm gonna ask.

If Jim Harbaugh can't win at Michigan, who could? Who would want to even try?

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 28, 2021, 10:52:42 AM

With Ohio State recruiting at an elite level consistently, it would be tough.

Exactly. To be honest, nobody is saying Harbaugh can't "win" at Michigan. He has been winning at Michigan. But OSU has set the bar so high in the conference recruiting-wise that it has set a ceiling on Harbaugh's winning.

It remains to be seen whether Day can continue what Urban built. We've all seen cases where the first year or two after a coach leaves, the understudy looks great, only to falter in years 3-4-5 as the upperclassmen who were groomed in the predecessor's system age out of the program.

But as long as OSU remains OSU, it's going to take a miracle for Michigan to match them.

What it would take, to be honest, is a coach who is an elite recruiter. Not "good". Not "great". But literally one of the best recruiters in the history of the sport. Harbaugh isn't that.

Barring that, Michigan has to hope that Day falls on his face.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #26 on:** May 28, 2021, 11:07:51 AM »

If Ohio State returns to being "just" Ohio State, UM should be able to upset them 3 times in 10. Ohio State right now is closer to Bama and Clemson than OSU of yore.

And they still seem to be recruiting at the elite level, top five anyway, consistently. Even a so so coach can produce great teams doing that.

Gigem · « **Reply #27 on:** May 28, 2021, 11:17:53 AM »

Mack had a pretty dismal record against OU as I recall and lasted quite a while. I guess that MNC went a long ways towards that longevity.

I think OU is a better job simply because they've had more success there overall.

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