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Topic: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)

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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2020, 12:31:54 PM »
The other thing about 1998 that makes me lean toward that team is that the B1G was amazing that year.  

  • 7-1 Ohio State (lost to MSU):  Beat B12 Champ aTm 24-14 in Sugar Bowl
  • 7-1 Wisconsin (lost to M):  Beat P10 Champ UCLA 38-31 in Rose Bowl
  • 7-1 Michigan (lost to tOSU):  Beat Arkansas 45-31 in Citrus Bowl
  • 6-2 Purdue (lost to UW, PSU):  Beat KSU 37-34 in Alamo Bowl
  • 5-3 Penn State (lost to tOSU, M, UW):  Beat Kentucky 26-14 in Outback Bowl


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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2020, 12:44:55 PM »
I am still convinced the best Ohio state non-national Championship is the 1975 team.


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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2020, 01:14:57 PM »
I am still convinced the best Ohio state non-national Championship is the 1975 team.
Personally, I think it was 1973.  

All time, I think it is between that one, 1973, 1969, and 1970.  

  • 1975:  Outscored opponents 384-102, finished 11-1.  The loss was in a Rose Bowl rematch with UCLA.  The Buckeyes beat the Bruins handily (41-20) in the Rose Bowl (stadium not game) in early October but lost to them in the Rose Bowl (stadium and game) 23-10.  
  • 1973:  Outscored opponents 413-64, finished 10-0-1.  The tie was with Michigan in Ann Arbor and was also Michigan's only blemish.  Final AP #1 Notre Dame beat USC 23-14 in South Bend, Ohio State beat them 42-21 in the Rose Bowl.  Notre Dame also struggled with MSU, beating them 14-10 in South Bend, Ohio State beat them 35-0 in Columbus.  Notre Dame beat Purdue 20-7 in West Lafayette.  Ohio State didn't play Purdue but Michigan beat them 34-9 in Ann Arbor.  Finally, Notre Dame beat Northwestern 44-0.  That sounds impressive but Ohio State beat them 60-0.  
  • 1970:  Ohio State started #1 and held it until 10/26 when the got jumped by Texas.  Then they got jumped by ND to drop to #3 on 11/2.  They held there until a weak showing in a 10-7 win over sub .500 Purdue dropped them to #5 in the 11/16 poll (behind Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, and Michigan).  The next week tOSU jumped back to #2 after Notre Dame barely beat LSU and Nebraska barely beat a sub par OU.  Ohio State stayed at #2 (including a win over undefeated #4 Michigan) until the bowls.  In the bowls #1 Texas lost to #6 ND, #2 tOSU lost to #12 Stanford, and #3 Nebraska beat #5 LSU to win the NC.  The Buckeyes outscored their opponents 290-120.  
  • 1969:  Ohio State was the defending National Champion and beat their first eight opponents by a combined 371-69 then lost 24-12 to Michigan to finish 8-1 having outscored their opponents 383-93.  

1968-1975 was a phenomenal run for the Buckeyes and it is amazing that, as good as those eight teams were they only managed to win one NC.  They were probably the best team in the country in 1968, 1969, 1970, 1973, and 1975.  

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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2020, 01:37:05 PM »
I agree, it's the 73 team

I was only 11 at the time, but I was a big Buckeye fan

the 70 Huskers vs the 70 Buckeyes would have been a great game

back in 1970 I would have been rooting for the Bucks against most of my relatives

today I'll say the 1970 Huskers would have earned the victory!  HAH!
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2020, 02:06:13 PM »
I chuckled a few times that Old Timey Edition" went back to 1971.

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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2020, 02:22:18 PM »
Well the further back you go, the more obscure, claimed NCs you find...
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2020, 05:35:40 PM »
I agree, it's the 73 team

I was only 11 at the time, but I was a big Buckeye fan

the 70 Huskers vs the 70 Buckeyes would have been a great game

back in 1970 I would have been rooting for the Bucks against most of my relatives

today I'll say the 1970 Huskers would have earned the victory!  HAH!
I think Ohio State and Michigan were just REALLY unlucky to have great teams in the same season that year.  Ohio State outscored opponents 413-64 as mentioned above and Michigan was not much worse at 330-68.  

USC is very interesting that year.  They finished 9-2-1 and were #8 in the final AP Poll but the thing is that their losses and tie were to the top-3:
  • Lost 23-14 AT Notre Dame (final #1)
  • Lost 42-21 in the Rose Bowl to Ohio State (final #2)
  • Tied 7-7 at home with Oklahoma (final #3)
Their other game against a ranked team was a 23-13 win at home over UCLA (final #12).  

Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, and Michigan all finished undefeated although each except ND and PSU had a tie.  However, the ties were not bad:
  • 11-0 Notre Dame beat #1 (final #4) Bama in the Sugar Bowl
  • 10-0-1 Ohio State tied (final) #6 Michigan 10-10 in Ann Arbor
  • 10-0-1 Oklahoma tied (final) #8 USC 7-7 in LA
  • 11-1 Bama lost to ND 24-23
  • 12-0 Penn State played two ranked (final) teams:  Beat #16 NCST 35-29 at home, beat #13 LSU 16-9 in the Orange Bowl.  
  • 10-0-1 Michigan tied #2 tOSU 10-10 at home


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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2020, 06:20:43 PM »
I think Ohio State and Michigan were just REALLY unlucky to have great teams in the same season that year.  Ohio State outscored opponents 413-64 as mentioned above and Michigan was not much worse at 330-68. 

USC is very interesting that year.  They finished 9-2-1 and were #8 in the final AP Poll but the thing is that their losses and tie were to the top-3:
  • Lost 23-14 AT Notre Dame (final #1)
  • Lost 42-21 in the Rose Bowl to Ohio State (final #2)
  • Tied 7-7 at home with Oklahoma (final #3)
Their other game against a ranked team was a 23-13 win at home over UCLA (final #12). 

Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, and Michigan all finished undefeated although each except ND and PSU had a tie.  However, the ties were not bad:
  • 11-0 Notre Dame beat #1 (final #4) Bama in the Sugar Bowl
  • 10-0-1 Ohio State tied (final) #6 Michigan 10-10 in Ann Arbor
  • 10-0-1 Oklahoma tied (final) #8 USC 7-7 in LA
  • 11-1 Bama lost to ND 24-23
  • 12-0 Penn State played two ranked (final) teams:  Beat #16 NCST 35-29 at home, beat #13 LSU 16-9 in the Orange Bowl. 
  • 10-0-1 Michigan tied #2 tOSU 10-10 at home
That Oklahoma team was sophomore-heavy, with QB Steve Davis, HB Joe Washington, SE Tinker Owens, DT's Lee Roy and Dewey Selmon, DE Jimbo Elrod, K Tony DiRienzo, S Eric Van Camp, OT Mike Vaughan, and OG Terry Webb all sophomore starters.
The USC game was Barry Switzer's 2nd game as HFC.  He had a conservative game plan and the play-calling was conservative.  He said afterward that if he had known how good the team was, he would have opened up the offense more.
That was the game in which Joe Washington ran about 80 yards to lose 8 on a punt return.
I've always wondered what might have been in the final rankings had OU won that game, but the Sooners were on probation, and the punishment began with not being allowed to go to a bowl game.  I don't think that an 11-0 Oklahoma that hadn't played in a month would have passed 11-0 Notre Dame, victor over Bama in the Sugar Bowl.
Still, that was a better Sooner team than the '75 MNC team.
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2020, 06:46:53 PM »
1973 was a great season - back when the top teams were playing each other

the Huskers played 7 ranked teams - won 5

opening with #10 UCLA in Osborne's debut - 40-13 win

2nd non-con was #14 UNC

Wisconsin and Minnesota finished the non-con schedule

lost to #12 Mizzou in Columbia - by a point, went for two in the final minute after a sensational comeback and missed.

beat #18 Kansas

Tied Okie St in Stillwater

beat #17 Colorado

lost to #3 OU in Norman

beat the #8 ranked Longhorns in the Cotton
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2020, 07:56:45 PM »
1973 was a great season - back when the top teams were playing each other

the Huskers played 7 ranked teams - won 5

opening with #10 UCLA in Osborne's debut - 40-13 win

2nd non-con was #14 UNC

Wisconsin and Minnesota finished the non-con schedule

lost to #12 Mizzou in Columbia - by a point, went for two in the final minute after a sensational comeback and missed.

beat #18 Kansas

Tied Okie St in Stillwater

beat #17 Colorado

lost to #3 OU in Norman

beat the #8 ranked Longhorns in the Cotton
The Huskers usually played a great OOC schedule back then.  The Sooners only played two great OOC opponents in '73--USC and Texas.  The other two were Baylor and Miami, neither of which were good.  Only played five teams that finished ranked.
It was after the game with Nebraska in Norman that DC Larry Lacewell said he'd take that defense and go fight the Russians.
Some great, and some just colorful, HFCs of the opponents that year.  Grant Teaff at Baylor.  Jim McKay at USC.  Pete Elliot at Miami.  Darrel Royal at Texas.  Eddie Crowder at Colorado.  Vince Gibson at K-State.  Earle Bruce at Iowa State.  Al Onofrio at Mizzou.  Don Fambrough at Kansas.  Dr. Tom in Lincoln in his 1st season as HFC.  Jim Stanley (the "Stanley Steamer") at oSu.
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2020, 07:58:52 PM »

It was after the game with Nebraska in Norman that DC Larry Lacewell said he'd take that defense and go fight the Russians.

part of Husker/Sooner lore
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2020, 07:59:53 PM »
Great lore it is.
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2020, 08:03:27 PM »
mostly be forgotten when us old guys are gone, unfortunately
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2020, 08:15:10 PM »
Some of the best was preserved on good ole low-definition TV.
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