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OrangeAfroMan

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Best #77
« on: August 03, 2018, 03:03:38 AM »
College only - pick da best!
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Re: Best #77
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 10:28:55 AM »
Serious question, what do you think Grange ran in the 40?  This isn't to discuss how he was quicker than he was fast, but just insert whoever old-timey player you want - did they run 4.4s?  4.6?  4.8?  


Unscientifically, what's your guess?
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Re: Best #77
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 03:18:23 PM »
wanted to pick Grange, but this is a lineman's number and we too often pick the glory boys that tote the ball

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Re: Best #77
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 03:32:40 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 03, 2018, 10:28:55 AM
Serious question, what do you think Grange ran in the 40?  This isn't to discuss how he was quicker than he was fast, but just insert whoever old-timey player you want - did they run 4.4s?  4.6?  4.8?  


Unscientifically, what's your guess?
Unscientifically?  We can do a little better than that, even if it there are holes in the argument.  The average time of the top 6 runners in the 100 meter dash in 1924 was 10.81666667 seconds.  In 2016 that was 9.90666667, so an improvement of 0.91 seconds, or 9.18573351% of the 2016 time.  Over a 5 year study (2008-12), the RBs invited to the NFL combine averaged 4.59 seconds in the 40.  The span of times for RBs in that 2012 combine was 4.40 to 4.73 so fairly centered around that average.  Assuming the same level of improvement that means the average top level RB would run about a 5.01 in 1924 (Grange's senior year).  So I would guess maybe 4.8 would be top end speed.
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Re: Best #77
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 03:42:23 PM »
ya, but if you DIDN'T use science?  ;)
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 05:14:11 PM »
Thanks ELA.
That just makes me want to drop a 180 lb RB who runs a 5-flat 40 into a game and see how long it takes him to literally be killed.
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 05:41:39 PM »
how does your card game handle those types?
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 06:24:38 PM »
Ehhh...pre-1971, it treats all players the same:  deceased.  
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2018, 07:12:05 PM »
slow as dirt!
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2018, 09:18:01 PM »
went with Jake Long. He was a BAD m'fer at 6'7, 315 lbs. Injuries robbed him of what was a HOF career arch in the NFL.

I wasn't alive in 1902 to see Red Grange play. I can't vote for someone like that in good conscious. He would be a water boy in the sport today.
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Re: Best #77
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2018, 02:05:05 AM »
Haven't been on site for a bit, and just saw this, and didn't vote.
I would have voted for Alex Karras, who was not offered. It seems he wore #77 in college, and #84 in college. Karras finished 2nd in the Heisman voting, and won the Outland Trophy in 1957. 
Iowa successfully hid him at Lake Okoboji in NW Iowa. Woody Hayes couldn't find him to recruit him.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2018, 02:07:09 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 03, 2018, 09:18:01 PM
went with Jake Long. He was a BAD m'fer at 6'7, 315 lbs. Injuries robbed him of what was a HOF career arch in the NFL.

I wasn't alive in 1902 to see Red Grange play. I can't vote for someone like that in good conscious. He would be a water boy in the sport today.
Red Grange was a broadcaster in the 1960s. He was knowledgeable then and he was the galloping ghost. He was one of the all time greats, without question, whether you were alive to see it, or not.
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Re: Best #77
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2018, 09:43:25 AM »
That 4.8 40 estimate is epic.

Good discussion here as usual.

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Re: Best #77
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2018, 09:44:59 AM »
I watched a film about Secretariat on the plane recently, pretty cool story.  Some of his times are still track records.

Of course, horses are about at the limit of breeding it would seem.
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