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Re: Best #25
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2018, 07:46:04 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 29, 2018, 06:14:45 PM
I sat through the "MELVIN GORDON" game in Madison

just couldn't give him the vote
So that's just wrong.
Gordon is the best tailback to ever play at Wisconsin and maybe close to the top overall ever, anywhere.
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2018, 02:20:35 AM »
The stats back that up.  Gordon is tied for the 2nd-best yards per carry average for a career.  But here's the thing - all the other guys around him had 250-350 career carries to attain that lofty ypc.....Gordon had over 600 carries.  

Now to be fair, that's not up there with the career carries leaders (1000+), but it dwarfs everyone around him in ypc average.  
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 02:33:00 AM »
A good exercise is looking at career carries leaders and going down the list to find the highest YPC average, then going down and finding the next-highest, then the next, as the number of carries deceases - the law of diminishing returns.  I don't know where to draw a line to cut off the sliding scale of optimal performance - maybe there isn't one.  It's just fun to discuss.

I'll look at it, conference-by-conference and see what we get.  The career carries leader will always be listed first, but then the very next player to have a higher YPC average is next, then so on, until we stop at the YPC leader.

SEC:
994 Walker (UGA) 5.3
785 McFadden (Ark) 5.8
758 Chubb (UGA) 6.3
650 Jackson (Aub) 6.6
390 Fullwood (Aub) 7.2 (Jackson's teammate, actually)
386 F.Jones (Ark) 7.7....and we stop here, as he's the SEC's career leader in YPC.

So somewhere in there, the volume combines with the performance to be of maximal use.  But where?
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 02:35:11 AM »
B10:
1220 Dayne (Wis) 5.8
924  Griffin (OSU) 6.0
723  D.Robinson (UM) 6.2
631  Gordon (Wis) 7.8........and we're already done.  
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 02:36:49 AM »
ACC:
881 Lawrence (UNC) 5.0
860 T.Brown (NCST) 5.4
687 Cook (FSU) 6.5
575 Dunn (FSU) 6.9........fin
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 02:38:31 AM »
Big XII:
1112 Benson (Tex) 5.0
845  R.Williams (Tex) 6.3
457  V.Young (Tex) 6.8.........all done - young conference.
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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2018, 02:43:17 AM »
PAC 12 10 8:
1147 C.White (USC) 5.4
947  Freeman (Ore) 5.9
771  James (Ore) 6.6
433  Bush (USC) 7.3
403  Love (Stan) 7.8........x
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2018, 02:46:12 AM »
SWC:
1091 Cobb (Rice) 4.5
909  Lewis (A&M) 5.5
790  Dickerson (SMU) 5.6
765  Campbell (Tex) 5.8
635  Dupard (SMU) 5.9
493  K.Davis (TCU) 6.1
395  Weatherspoon (Hou) 8.2............x
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2018, 02:48:49 AM »
Big 8:
956 T.Thomas (OKST) 5.1
871 T.Miller (OKST) 5.5
699 Bieniemy (CU) 5.6
668 Rozier (Neb) 7.2
393 Pruitt (OU) 7.5..............x
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2018, 02:50:45 AM »
1023 Cobourne (WV) 4.9
910  Rice (Rut) 5.4
728  Devine (WV) 5.9
684  P.White (WV) 6.5.............x
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2018, 02:55:34 AM »
Independents (while they were IND, since 1956):
1163 Dorsett (Pitt) 5.6
624  G.Allen (FSU) 6.0
553  M.Morris (W.Tex.A&M) 6.4
480  J.Adams (ND) 6.7....................x


Idk what kind of program West Texas A&M had, but since it's a guy I've heard of (Mercury Morris), I included him.
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2018, 03:11:04 AM »
Taking from the lists, and noting the leader at every 100 carry benchmark:
1000+ Dayne, WIS (5.8)
900+  Griffin, OSU (6.0)
800+  Williams, TEX (6.3)
700+  L.James ORE (6.6)
600+  Gordon WIS (7.8)
500+  Gordon WIS (7.8)
400+  Love STAN ties Gordon, but Gordon has more carries.  We'll see what he does this coming season.
300+  Weatherspoon (HOU) 8.2

*Gordon is the only repeat name on the list, and with only one guy tying him, no one surpasses his YPC for 300 carries, which is nuts.

*Also of note, look at how the YPC increases when you go down 100 carries - 0.2, 0.3, 0.3, 1.2, 0.4.  Gordon's increase is 4x the average of the other benchmarks.  There is a very good statistical case for Gordon as the best ever.
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2018, 10:36:49 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 02, 2018, 02:48:49 AM
Big 8:

668 Rozier (Neb) 7.2
393 Pruitt (OU) 7.5..............x

too bad many Husker and Sooner backs didn't play the 4th quarter or even the 2nd half in many games
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Re: Best #25
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2018, 10:54:49 AM »
Would have been great had Gordon played in the 4th against UNL that one time... Probably could have passed the 500 yard mark that day.
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